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i still see collapse and still rooting for losses

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by peleincubus, Jan 24, 2010.

  1. DcProWLer277

    DcProWLer277 Rookie

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    I have no problem with tanking if you don't have a franchise player to build around and obviously we don't. It's too late to tank now since we're already in the playoff hunt but I'm definantly not against it.
     
  2. SpiffyRifi

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    This is precisely what you do if you suggest that a team should tank. When you WANT your team to tank you ARE striving to make the lottery. The lottery is for teams not good enough to make the playoffs, not teams that are good enough to make the playoffs, but tank to get into the lottery.
     
  3. Hball

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    Im starting to think Morey wanted a lottery pick all along, it's the only way it makes any sense to send home an all-star capable of carrying a team to the playoffs.

    Playing Ariza 40 minutes a night next to battier whose just as bad at creating, and going into the season without a legit shot blocker or seven footer for an entire season.

    Unless of course Morey really believes out hustling people will work over a 82 game stretch.
     
  4. RocketMania1991

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    How about we aren't good enough to get into the playoffs ?
    You said it yourself, thats the reason we will probably go to the lottery.
     
  5. LifeisButaDream

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    I'm not talking about tanking i'm talking about rebuilding.after you get you're franchise player.
     
  6. SpiffyRifi

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    I don't have a clue what you mean by this? Of course if we play hard and try to win, but don't make the playoffs we get a lottery pick. What? Did I say we should tell the NBA "no thanks, we don't want the lottery pick"?

    The only thing I've ever argued is that tanking is loathsome. You do understand that there is a difference between tanking and trying to win, but losing, right?
     
  7. Sidarma

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    This is why in the first place the media disrespect the rox :mad:

    While we are starting to get a bit a tiny bit of their attention, we played horribleeeeelyyyyyyyy oops that extra eee must be an exaggeration sorry.

    Yao also just returned to Houston.
     
  8. RocketMania1991

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    As fans most people are in the "win-now" mode, but like any sport you can't always be in "win now" mode. At some point you have to look toward the future, and at one point every organization has probably tanked. Whether it was made public or not.

    Daryl Morey is not dumb. He probably realized that with the current roster we run out there every night we were bound to win some games, but in the end make the lottery. I'm sure if DM wanted to make a move to further the "win now" mode he would, but he probably figured might as well keep sending out our current lineup even if he could make an improvement.

    Morey won't make any moves to improve the current club at the expense of the future. Might as well just keep playing who we've got.

    This probably could be considered a form of tanking. But it's actually smart management.
     
  9. SpiffyRifi

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    all you've been talking about in this thread is tanking - that is the whole point of the thread.
     
  10. brian_chapman

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    the OP is going to get his wish. no matter how matter posters bash him, no matter how many of you are against tanking, this team has run out of gas . You can see it in the body language
     
  11. SpiffyRifi

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    I don't see that as tanking, I agree with you that is smart management. I am very glad Morey didn't go out and try and make a quick fix at center, I think that was the right call.

    But that's not what tanking is, that's not what the OP was calling for. There is a difference between making roster decisions based on the future vs being a fan rooting for losses and hoping we bench our best players in order to get a better position in the draft.

    No one expects to win the championship this year and I'm not suggesting Morey sell off all of our assets to get players that can help this year. I don't fault Morey, the Rockets, or Adelman for that. But, if suddenly Brooks ended up on the injury report with a sore foot for an extended amount of time, we saw a decrease in Landry's minutes, and we saw Morey applauding when we lost - then I think I'd be a little upset.
     
  12. LifeisButaDream

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    To get a franchise player only.not every year after that.
     
  13. SpiffyRifi

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    running out of gas is hardly the same thing as throwing games. There is no doubt the Rockets aren't as fresh as they were in the start of the season, but I don't think you can say the guys aren't out there trying to win. They aren't tanking; they are losing. There is a difference.
     
  14. rocketblaze

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    Who are you to dictate what a real fan is!?!....I mean come on man, there are some of us out there that believe having a high draft pick is more beneficial to the team In the long run than barely making or missing the playoffs this year, and just b/c we believe that, doesn't mean that were not real fans!

    --RB
     
  15. SpiffyRifi

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    and when do you decide if they are a franchise player? Didn't you think Ralph Sampson was a franchise player? He was the first pick after all...but the Rockets tanked to get Hakeem the next year. It's not like Jordan was the Jordan we know him to be his first season.

    You seem to think that we pick up a lottery pick and then that's the panacea and we're good after that. But, the reality is for every superstar picked in the lottery, there are 5 busts. If that wasn't true, there would be 15 stars coming into the league every year - there aren't.

    I won't even get into the fact that we have Yao on this team as that would simply derail this argument that much more.
     
  16. RocketMania1991

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    He put up Hall of Fame numbers in his first season :confused:
     
  17. peleincubus

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    exactly this thread is NOT about tanking at all. i want the team to do the best it can to win. just because you want the rockets to have the best pick possible in the next draft, doesnt mean you want them to purposely lose. thats just dumb.
     
  18. SpiffyRifi

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    yet in the title to your thread you say you're "rooting for losses"
     
  19. LifeisButaDream

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    Yao is not Hakeem he cant carry this team by himself.he needs help.so since were not signing a star any time soon.why not draft one.
     
  20. SpiffyRifi

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    How do you put up Hall of Fame numbers in one season? You're right, maybe Jordan is a bad example as he did actually have a stellar rookie year. My only point with that comment is, most of the time you can't determine if someone is a "franchise player" based on their rookie year and draft position.
     

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