I sorta understood when francis and Cat didn't pass the ball to Yao

what do you mean?

 

Yeah, Our guard have no ability to shoot, actually, biggest problem for Rocket till now is our guard, it has not been solvled after several stupid tradings. Garbage for Rubbish. Why not deal with Tinsley? even Wesley+Barry+someone..for one Tinsley..If our guard can shoot like him, Rocket is No.1 team in league

 

It's so frustrating to see IL filled up with untradable commodities. I really hope they can move some of them, soon.

 

Juwan is also a major problem in this regard...I can count on one hand the number of times he's passed to Yao in the post...this despite the fact that the PF in our offense has multiple opps a game to pass to the center.

I am so sick of seeing wasted opportunities to get the ball inside to a open Yao who has established great position. It seems as though someone told him he has to wait 5 seconds before passing to a wide open yao. Say what you will about Mot, but he'd find Yao at least a couple times a game in great position when he played...

 

Shaq's turnover numbers are the same or higher. What do you think he would say if Damon Jones did not pass him the ball for that reason?

 

Other than Yao not dominating consistently, Sura is a bad 3 point shooter, it's understandable if he doens't want to be embarassed by bricking wide open 3 pointers. His niche doesn't mesh with being a static 3 point shooter. Wesley and Sura haven't been good outside shooters in recent years. This team isn't built for low post play.

 

Teams are fronting Yao. It completely takes him out of the game. Why block and push him out when you can front him (with a little backside help just in case) and the Rocks can't get the ball to him.

This is the problem that Yao will be forced to work on. Once he and the team solve this isuue, then he will be a great center. Until then, he's not really much different than most other centers in the league.

 

I hate to say this, but maybe the problem isn't with the guards if every guard we had seems to have trouble getting Yao the ball. In a scientific experiment, Yao would be the controlled variable and the others (guards) would be the manipulated variable and the results (is Yao getting the ball and is he doing good things with it once he gets it) is the responding variable.

 

So let's see, the sucky ones can't seem to get him the ball and the better players a la Mobley and Francis can't get him the ball. I guess nobody on the planet can get Yao the ball, because you know it isn't Yao's fault - never is. lol.

BTW, if you want a good laugh, try to watch Yao trying to establish position for about 10 seconds of the shot clock as the ball is being swung around waiting for him to establish position. Of course Yao's sitting in the post doing gyrations and pivots, still not being able to get position - but does that matter? Naaa... just pass it to him. Does it matter that he misses dunks and 5 foot hook shots? Naaa... pass it to him.

As for TMac getting turnovers... let's see... he's the best playmaker on the team, helps bring the ball up, helps set up the offense, etc. Yao's only job really with the ball is to catch and shoot it. Ya think that may be why TMac gets turnovers - because he handles the ball so much playing the duty of SF, SG, and PG at times?

 

I want you to answer this one question. How come our guards have no trouble getting the ball to Mcgrady when he gets in the post up position. Answer: Mcgrady knows how to seal his man off. Yao is just not strong enough, that's one of the reason why he doesn't get the ball alot.

 

"I score and rebound. I intimidate. I am one of the best players of the last decade. I can make a bucket from 5 feet. I can establish position. I ain't no Yao Ming - pass me the ball."

 

Well, there are Yao's lovers and then there are the haters. You know who you are.

 

Other than Shaq, I don't think there's a big man in the league that can consistently get the ball in the low post anymore, not even Duncan or Garnett. New NBA rules have just made it much more difficult to make an entry pass.

Centers, in particular, are suffering the most, because quick, mobile power forwards like Duncan, Garnett, and JO'Neal can still go out 18-20 feet away from the basket to get the ball and dribble their way closer. Obviously, a big guy like Yao would not be able to do that. He would get the ball stolen within 2 dribbles.

I've been against this for a while, but if rule changes continue to make the game more guard friendly and more anti-big men, Yao may be better off just becoming a jump shooting center like everyone wants.

I mean, last night game, almost all of Yao's points were from penetration and dishes from the guards. Hardly any were from the post up position.

 

I agree. I watched quite a few games of Duncan. He can't beat
the fronting defense when post-up. I doubt many past HOF
centers could make a living solely in low post today. Hakeem
would have to come out to get the ball otherwise the guards
would get many TOs. It's ok to beat fronting only by lob pass,
but when there is another player behind you, not much the
guards can do.

 

Fronting defenses have been around for years what is hurting now is allowing an extra guy to be in postion behind the fronting player.

I wish they would go back to the original rules on illegal defense.

DD

 

I still can't believe some of ya'll think it is the players that decide whether to pass to Yao or not. As strict as JVG is, you don't think he wouldn't get mad if players were freezing him out.

I believe JVG specifically tells his players not to pass to Yao if he isn't in good position. This is the right thing to do since you never want to force anything. But it comes down to Yao and the system to get him the ball. If JVG tells his players to pass to Yao everytime, they will, if he tells them not to force anything, they won't.

 

Great insight, Yao simply couldn't catch the ball becasue of his butter fingers, nobody in the world could pass the ball to him, he wasn't even deserve those pass from better players.

Yao had the weakest body in the league, he couldn't establish by himself, even he barely did, it already waste 3 times offence opportunities from TMAC, he also was the worst play finisher, even couldn't finish easy dunks or 5 foots shots, this guy isnot even deserve in the league, why bother to pass the ball to him?

Tmac was playing three position all by himself, he is super super talented player, he simply can do anything on the court, those turnovers which you YoF mention are Tmac's Presents to opposite players, if tmac was little bit more unselfish and take 50 shots a game, we could easily win them all.

 

I do feel JVG lost control to this team. This team has no self-tempo. They only follow, which depend on other team. sura is good example