I only see New York seriously trying to trade for him, or rather having the motivation to pursue him relentlessly. Times are bad in New York and a drastic change is needed, whether in an attempt to actually improve the team or to just make noise in the offseason to save face. Any proposed trade would naturally have to be adjusted to fit the immediate needs of the team holding Ming's draft rights. The question is, what lottery team needs what New York could possibly offer? Camby, who comes cheap, is the only real comoddity, along with their pick, they have to offer. The rest of their team might as well be called "the untouchables"....mediocre players with horrendous contracts- Eisley, Anderson, Weatherspoon, Houston, Sprewell. Is Camby and a top 10 pick enough? Maybe, maybe not.......but I still think the Rockets will be able to put up a more attractive offer to most teams in position to draft Ming, and I don't foresee many other suitors going all out for his services. EDIT- rimmy just gave the correct reading of the offer, nugzfan, which is a good deal. I am assuming, in coming up with these offers, that they have missed out on the Jason Williams sweepstakes (Denver and Golden State)....otherwise, they'd take Williams in a heartbeat. Mango, I only see the Warriors going after Ming if they don't have a chance at Williams or aren't sold on Wagner switching to point guard in the NBA. They might do a prearranged deal to acquire Camby, who've they've pursued quite recently, and the pick......otherwise, the only logical explanation I can come up with is that they'd be trying to exploit the economic possibilities he represents............smart business move, but from a basketball standpoint, a starting point guard is clearly their most pressing need.
rimmy, I think nugs is assuming that the Nugs pick will be number 1 and that Jason Williams = Francis I don't think the Nugs would trade it if they had a chance to nab Williams, but if management isn't sold on Woods/Ming/Gooden I could see them maybe trading down a couple of slots to pick up an extra pick for depth. maybe. it depends on the strength of the draft, and the player evaluations of the Denver front office.
Here's the text from a NY Post article on Ming: April 4, 2002 -- PORTLAND - Former Net David Benoit is still trying to get back in the NBA, possibly with the Knicks, but for now he can help GM Scott Layden with special insight on 7-6 Chinese center Yao Ming. The veteran Benoit, who played for Layden in Utah, signed three weeks ago with the Shanghai Sharks as a hired gun for the playoffs to help Ming bring the city its first Chinese Basketball Association championship. After being Ming's teammate since early March and talking English with him on the plane, there's no doubt in Benoit's mind Ming will be an NBA All-Star, and even compared him to Shaquille O'Neal. "I'm amazed by him how agile he is, how he is able to move and run the floor," Benoit told The Post in a phone interview Tuesday from his Shanghai residence. "He's not like Shawn Bradley. He's the exact opposite. If anything, he's more like Shaq. He's not a 7-5 stiff. He can really move. He's got great feet." Benoit also said he believes Ming will be released from his contract to play in the NBA next season only if Shanghai wins a championship. NBA commissioner David Stern, speaking on MSG Network's "Angles" Tuesday, is concerned Ming is waiting to see which team picks him. Reportedly, Chinese officials want him in a big market with a sizable Chinese population, such as New York. "I really believe we have to win a championship for him to go," Benoit said. The Sharks are in the best-of-five semifinals, leading the series 1-0 over Jilin. The Chinese Army team has won the last five titles and is expected to meet Shanghai in next week's final. Benoit, 34, says he was signed because Shanghai wanted a defensive small forward against the Chinese Army as a complement to Ming. Ming, 22, is expected to be either the first or second pick in the June 26 draft. Benoit predicted Ming should be No. 1 over Duke point guard Jason Williams. The Knicks can assure their lottery reservations tonight with a loss in Portland coupled with a victory by Indiana. "These guys don't come along every day," said Benoit, who played for the Jazz from 1991-1995 and again last season. "He's an agile guy like Shaq. He shoots 3's like [Arvydas] Sabonis. And if you're not careful, he'll dribble by you. It's a nice package. He's so big, his head is right there by the rim. I don't have to go for a rebound, I just go back. I'm amazed every day watching him." Benoit doesn't think it'll take Ming more than one season to elevate to All-Star level. "[The physical game] would be the only thing I see he'd have to work on," said Benoit, who played for John Calipari's Nets from 1996-98. "It will take a year's time to make that adjustment. It won't take him long. He's a smart kid. But he'll still definitely make an impact his first year."
kinda depends on where we pick...hell, you guys have a great chance of jumping us. check out what i wrote here: http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31676 the nuggets, although locked into the 4th spot to end the regular season, are going to be picking very likely 5th. where does that leave houston?
CK - see tpl's response, I was right. Williams would already be gone...this assumes their pick comes up while Ming is still available (since many of those low teams don't need a center) and will be picking some time before us.
The Clippers have been reported to be hot for Jason Williams. Let's say that Denver gets the #2 pick in the draft & Yao Ming has been taken with the #1 pick. If the Clippers offered Odom/Dooling/#13 pick (Clipper's)/#8 pick (Atlanta's) for McCloud/Posey/Harvey/#2 overall pick, would you do it?
dude if we pick 2nd im gonna do flips and run out side dancing in the streets nekd. so shut yer windows just in case. ok now that ive recovered from that short period of undescribable potential draft day joy, onto your clips trade... if we could keep harvey (and i think we could) i would do it.
Thank God I live in Houston. You'd have to include Harvey in the deal, because of the dollars. He counts for a million dollars in the trade. Without him, it'd mean Denver would be taking back an extra million dollars & they won't have any available cap space to do that. The trade would give Denver a nucleus of Odom/McDyess/Dooling/Bowen & two lottery picks to build for the future. I'd then use some or all of the mid-level exception to try & sign McInnis away from the Clippers. That might be enough to keep McDyess from bailing on you & allow you to persuade some free agents to join the team the following year. C: #8 Draft pick?/Bateer/Dallas Draft pick? PF: McDyess/Howard SF: Odom/Bowen SG: #13 Draft pick?/Lenard/Milwaukee pick? PG: McInnis/Dooling That wouldn't be a bad start, going into your free agent bonanza. Howard would be a serviceable backup PF, if the price was right.
wang zhizhi has won like 3 titles in a row with his team and over ming a couple times... i'm sure wang zhizhi had a tough time adjusting but he really is a good player and was an outstanding player in the cba. ming wasn't as dominant at first because he didn't learn to take over the game as much... plus his supporting role just wasn't even as close as good... wang zhizhi had an outstanding khalid el amin type with balding + headband ala rasheed pg and a couple of really good shooters. saying ming isn't better than wang is just wrong though. he's asserted himself and takes over games now with more physical play. i think all the teams tpl mentioned that wouldn't draft ming easily would draft ming and simply trade him for what they need. let me say again, he's not bradley. he's not rik smits. he's not zerg swiker or whatever. the guy loves to hustle and play hard. i can definitely say he will improve drastically after playing with nba level talent for just a short while. he has and will continue a huge work ethic to reach it. ming is not the same as all those lanky freaky tall guys... because he moves around well and doesn't whine... he's got determination to just getting better and more dominant. i would trade any of our top three for him... but then again, i believe if we had a lineup of damon jones, brentbarry, griff, kt, and cato, we would have done better than we did this season
You won't need classroom space. Guys like Ming can bring their own playbook. The UCLA-Cut is the promised land. Fairly simple for our two shooting guards to understand; allows them to run and shake loose their defender; and makes best use of a Wang jumper by a 7'5" dude. Get the tempo of control out of our two shooting guards hands, and let them run around a high post passer. The only video we need to see of the Yao-maker is his high-post passing instincts and his Wang jumper. Give me that, and bring your playbook with you Ming, because we'll need it pry the ball out of Francis's hands to give up his dreams of "I always wanted to be the quarterback."
btw: with the 5th most balls, we have a 30% chance of being in the top 3. If Chicago or Memphis gets the number one pick, and we are #2 or #3, we can make this trade. Chicago can be talked into trading down to #2 or #3 to get one of the glamour-boy shooting guards, and Memphis (while they surely want a center) will be probably the most worried team in the NBA about the rumors of China withholding Ming, and ending up with another draft pick who won't play for them. They will make the trade, too.
i have said it all along....Ming is legit! Ming answers 75% of this teams current needs. fill in a three if you get Ming!
I don't. (Just say I'm in denial.) I worry more about San Francisco. I worry more about Golden State trading Jamison for the #1 and using their #3 or 4 or whatever they end up with on someone to complement Richardson. They will part with Jamison to get Ming, imo, well, I'm saying you have to be prepared to counter a jawdropping blockbuster like that. Forget this lame ass Camby crap. NY does not have the trading power than GS and Houston do, unless they get into the top 3 picks. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
