I am pro-life and believe the following: Human life starts at conception and is sacred. Taking of a human life by another human is never jusitified and should be punished with extreme prejudice. Patients who have abortion are committing pre-meditated murder. Doctor who perform abortions are accomplices to pre-meditated murder. The federal government has an overriding need to protect the interests of the unborn. The federal government must mandate all ovulating women must submit to regular tests to determine if they are carrying an unborn child. Or in the future all ovulating women must be implanted with devices that notify the government when the women are pregnant. All men must be financially responsible for their unborn children. Like for a born child, men must pay for child support, starting with conception. The child support for the unborn must cover food and shelter for the women and the unborn. Also all pre-natal expenses must be covered. To assist the federal government in determining paternity, all men must have their DNA recorded by the federal government. The federal government will enforce child support compliance by garnishing men's wages. All "miscarriages" will be treated like any other murder investigation by the police. Men will be held responsible for allowing women to engage in any activity that reckless endangers their unborn child. The federal government's concern for the unborn will not stop at birth. The federal government will establish new programs that are responsible for seeing that every born child never goes hungry, has adequate housing, and has a world class K-12 education available to them. Any pro-lifers who disagree with any of my points lack commitment in their beliefs and may have ulterior motives.
Amazing. Nevermind that I can't tell if you're describing your abortion beliefs or the proper management of a cattle farm. The fact that anyone in an argument can basically say "I am correct, asbsolutely, and any disagreement with me is fundamentally flawed" is the only thing that ever disturbs me in these arguments. That sort of stance has some very disturbing historical company, IMHO. What are we all supposed to do? Just fall in step and salute when you tell us to? For the sake of argument, I'm personally against abortion, but would not tell other humans what to do in this difficult arena. For what it's worth, as for determining when a creature is sentient and independent, cultures have disagreed about this for a long, long time. Aristotle thought humans weren't really independent humans worthy of consideration until the age of four.
It's a joke in reference to TJ's comments in this thread: http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41835
But how can the government protect the interests of the unborn, if their existence can not be easily discerned. BTW B-Bob, I find many pro-lifers understanding of the whole abortion issue very shallow, which reflects poorly on them. Their shallow stance could easily be mistaken for sex-outside-of-marriage-is-wrong stance (versus the pro-life stance I have outlined). If a fertilized egg is human life, it should be treated like one without exception. To guarantee the unborned child rights would require a massive invasion of privacy by the federal government, from closely tracking a woman's pregnancy to cataloging men's DNA. How many pro-lifers would also support the privacy invasion? Not many, I bet. I do agree with Another Brother. Everybody has a right to an opinion. It is just not everybody's opinion should be given equal weight. On the issue of abortion, women's opinion by far out weighs men's. Women have the bottom line responsibility to raise their child (with or without the help of a partner). Men rarely have the same depth of conviction for child rearing. (There are certainly exceptions to the rule.) My own abortion opinion (my first post was meant to spur discussion) is that every women should have the choice. To reiterate, I also believe that this opinion does not amount to much, given that I am a man.
Let's not forget to kill the disabled, the feeble, or the otherwise dependent beings out there. Pro-Choice all the way!! (JK)
Wheww.. I thought for a sec that you went outta your head.. For the record, I say what AB said, but he said it first.. I dont agree with it anymore(I did when I was younger) , but it's not my place to impose my beliefs on other ppl.. Women must have the right to do it if they feel that's the right thing for them. Otherwise they will get them done in back alleys or unlicensed clinics..
I apologize to Jeff. I was not aware of the joke before I posted this. Thank you, Mrs. JB for the correction.
I'm pro-life and pro-choice. I want all babies to have a chance at life, but I will defend your right to make a choices that are right for you situation, and your life. I believe our Government should not be in the business of legislating morality and to many of the Anti-abortion crowd that is what it amounts to. A decision by someone else that they see as immoral. I and many others disagree. When is your birthday? The day you were born not the day your parents had sex and you were conceived. Here is what I think should happen. We need a medical definition of when life starts. The medical definition of death is the absence of measurable brain waves. Therefore, IMO, the medical definition of the begining of life should be the presence of measureable brain waves. I don't know at what point in pregnancy this occurs but I know it's early (probably around the end of the first trimester). The problem as I see it is many Anti-abortion supporters or Religious Zelots who won't be happy regardless of the out come unless it fits their personal morality and beliefs, regardless of the morality and beliefs others.
By this definition, some people (even some posters on this wonderful BBS) never truly achieve a living status. But seriously, it's a good point. If a fetus has brainwaves though, and I believe it definitely does at *some* point pre-birth, we get into earlier posted misgivings about the government treating these pre-birth beings as full citizens, intruding in wombs, collecting DNA from all potential fathers, having pre-birth visits from social workers, etc.
My point is... I'm 33 years old. My life began the day I was born, not the day I was conceived. I'm not 33 years old + 38 weeks 2 days 3 hours in utero.
