Your $50,000 is gone. You're not gonna get it back by hating your Civic. Enjoy it if it serve you well. In fact, if you think shelling out the money is dumb. Hating a good car is doubly dumb.
Not when you shouldn't even have bitten on the deal in the first place. I like Shane Battier a lot as a player, and I respect his game. He's definitely one of the best role players there is. Thing is, I've said this to everyone since the trade, and I'll say it here, the Bonzi pickup at that time justified the 2 for 1. So many people thought Bonzi was gonna be the messiah on this team, and while I didn't share the sentiment exactly, I still thought he'd make a viable 3rd option. But now that Bonzi's gone loco, the trade looks worse than ever. Sure, Shane helps us win games. I don't deny that we wouldn't be 6-3 now if not for his contributions, but it's still an EXTREMELY short-sighted move by the front office. Gay gives us MORE on the offensive end, and the ability to create. Stromile, though clearly a knucklehead, is still a decent man off the bench, for his shotblocking skills and finishing ability despite his wild shots. There is nothing that Shane brings now that isn't offset by both Gay and Swift if they are on the team now. Lose a whole lot of intangibles, for more firepower and some shotblocking, not to mention versatility in matchups, and most importantly, securing your future.
Nice personal attack. It figures since there's nothing else to back up your opinion. The basis of this $Ball crap is floor time +/-. Battier and Alston were tied for the worst +/- vs the Bulls at -9 (that's minus) 9. Some of you guys have bought into the trade so deeply you've lost even a remote sense of objectivity.
Well, nice way to single out one game. If you cite +/- stats, then you make your conclusion "Some of you guys have bought into the trade so deeply you've lost even a remote sense of objectivity." look pretty darn stupid. Season so far: Battier on court +9.7 Battier off court -7.8 Total +17.5 Second behind Hayes at +18.4 Oh, and by the way, since Mr. GATER even quotes Panda's post that said Snyder could just take Battier's minutes...here's something for +/- friend GATER: Snyder on court -8.4 Snyder off court +15.1 Total -23.5 http://www.82games.com/0607/0607HOU.HTM
Those + - #s don't even come close to telling the whole story. Snyder is usually in there when Tmac is out, and sometimes even when tmac & rafer are out, so it's no surprise that the team is playing bad since there's zero creators. Battier also has no PF/SF help off the bench, so when he's not in there we have those wonky 3 guard lineups. They don't tell the whole story, but they tell some of it. Battier is a good player period, Snyder's numbers might be messed up right now.
And pretty much all good teams have the ability to rally against anyone when down. After a game likes that, your best defender(s) may end up with a bad +/-, but they're one the floor for a reason. As for Snyder, he has some abilities but his game needs to come along. It's actually a credit to his abilities to get as much playing time as he does because he makes some surprising mistakes for a player with his abilities/experience...something JVG deplores.
wow, 1 for 4, 2 boards, 0 assists, and 2 turnovers get you your own threads about how good you are nowadays.
Battier is soo good because he does alot of the things that other players would overlook he is a one of the best role players because he knows exactly what to do I have to admit that I was highly critical of the trade at first having seen Battier play first hand for the Houston Rockets..I am glad we got him as oppose to Gay
It's not even his stats that concern me, pgabriel. Having watched every second of every game -- and at times watching the same game twice as I did with the Heat and Dallas games -- my only observation is that he was 'oversold' to us, that his 'intangibles' are vastly overrated. I am not saying he's not a solid role player, because I think he is/can fulfill that role on this team, but I do think he's overrated.
First of all, Battier does not take away Snyder's minutes, Head does. In fact I'm usually puzzled as to why we play Head some times. Except for the 2 shots that Head made that I thought was notable, the rest of his decisions on the court were pretty appalling. I am still wondering where the improvements are that everybody is hyping about in preseason. Just because a player does not put up numbers, does not mean he is useless. On the contrary, I thought Shane was actually one of our better players last night while the others sucked. Even with Yao's lofty numbers, his presence was an absolute joke last night - somebody is going to blast me for this. There were a couple of possessions that Yao himself could of closed the game for us, but he failed to do. I did make an argument that it was too early to label us as pretenders this year, but I take back what I said. We do have the pieces, but we don't have the mentallity, so its useless. Yao is also not ready to carry the team and it has nothing to with his ability. He simply does not have the mentallity. The argument that Shane disappears in the playoffs is an absolutely joke. You're basically asking Shane to carry a team, which is something that he is not suppose to do in the first place. His presence allows the stars to be stars. The fact that Pau Gasol disappearance is not because of Shane, but because he simply can't live up to expectations.
i know what you mean, reference last night, I believe deng scored his first 6 points on battier. Two shots he backed him down easily and shot turnaround jumpers on him, and then shane had to foul him. he's vastly overrated.
To me, Battier's good defense doesn't stem from peskiness, physicality or "getting under your opponent's skin" ala Ron Artest and Bruce Bowen. He's more of someone who tries hard to stay in front of his man, and make smart decisions. So while his defense is sound, good even, i don't think he'll ever reach the lockdown level of defense that guys like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest have, just because he doesn't have all that "extras" in his defensive play. Neither does he have that mean streak to him to use cheap tactics other than flopping.
Looking at stats, I find it very humorous yet alarming that Rudy Gay has ONE assist this whole season. What's up with that?
I think he's a superior team defender, though. So, while his one on one defense may not be of the "stopper" variety, overall I think he has must as much impact on the defensive end if not more so than those players.
Did the Rockets really need to add a great team defender? I’ve always thought our team defense was very strong, far before Battier ever arrived here. We have a great defensive coach and a great anchor to our defense in Yao. Our team defense has not been a problem the past couple of seasons. What has been a problem is we have lacked a lock-down defensive stopper on the perimeter. Someone that we can put on a player like Ben Gordon when he gets hot. If Battier cannot be that person, then I really don’t see the point in adding Battier.
