Considering I've often been called things like "thin skinned" and "PC thug" in regard to racial issue discussions on the D & D its good to know that I can incite across ethnic and racial lines. Thanks Whats Up. I'm going to cite your post the next time a "Chinaman" thread comes up and some poster accuses me of being an overly sensative Asian.
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist towards Asians though. Bringing up when someone perceives racism is attempting to correct the problem. I don't agree with Whats Up in this case but that doesn't mean racism towards Asians doesn't exist.
There are a few. There's a JACLU (Japanese American Civil Liberties Union) which started to address the Internment camp issue but has since then expanded to address many such racial issues involving all Asians. There not as prominent as the ACLU or the JDL (Jewish Defense League) or the ADL. but are out there.
Yes they can, but people can choose to consider the source.... Crap, if someone as untalented as Howard Stern can survive...so can SS. Consider the source. DD
i don't necessarily consider silverman, in this instance, to be the source....most likely she is just trying to make a living herself...she is pandering to those in her audience who already have certain racist view and will appreciate her humor.....but as aghast's post indicated, networks such as nbc are allowing her to push the envelope on offending certain groups/ethnicities based on what they feel they can get away with.....and what they can get away with has a lot to do with which groups/ethnicities in our country are the easy targets that it's en vogue to clown openly in public, at bars, or amongst co-workers etc.... these include some groups like the french, canadians, arabs, lower-class whites, evangelical christians, mexicans, asians and this is all very apparent on our own D&D in fact....shaq's mocking of yao and the chinese language a few years back and abercrombie & fitch t-shirts mocking asian dry cleaners and west virginians are a couple examples of stereotypes pretty much accepted and considered funny in our mainstream culture.... of course discrimination to other groups in our country goes far beyond this, but that is generally left behind private doors....nbc isn't going to let silverman go on stage and clown the mentally r****ded or blacks, for instance..... the fact of the matter is that many in our country already have well-ingrained prejudiced/racist views against dozens of groups/ethnicities from A to Z.....but the stereotypes about those groups who don't have strong lobbies with big bucks and political clout protecting them are the ones that actually get broadcast in the media....
Really? Do you think if she took her act to the streets of Chinatown in Flushing, NY and told the same "ch!nk" jokes she would get the same laughs?
She's an equal opportunity 'offender.' Her audience is comprised by people who get the general joke (you obviously don't); not by any specific race. As cited earlier in this thread, her message vis-a-vis racism is akin to Lenny Bruce's against racism and the gay community's reclamation of the word "queer." Have you ever been to blackpeopleloveus.com? If not, go there and tell me whether it is ironic or sincere. You don't have to think she's funny -- that's subjective. But she's not racist in the least. You're just wrong about that.
I never said she was racist. I said she was a w**** who will tell jokes that appeal to racists in order to get laughs/gigs/income. And I don't think she's hot at all either.....you're just wrong about that
Her hotness is subjective too. Okay, you didn't say she was racist -- you said she pandered to racists. You're flat wrong. In fact, what racist would enjoy her act? She would parody their race as well. You don't get the joke. Okay. She's over your head. You could argue, like Cohen does, that the use of certain words or stereotypes, even in an effort to take the air out of their hateful origins is over the top and object to that like he does. That's fine. That's a matter of opinion. But to say that she is racist (as whats up did) or that she panders to racists (as you did) is just a case of you guys not getting it. Also, she's hotter than hell.
She's not out to break any stereotypes. She's just out for #1. Her humor is fairly intelligent, however, if she's not going to use the word n***** for fear of getting her ass kicked, then why use any other racist word? A shameful way for free publicity.
Think Archie Bunker. Was Carol O'Conor pandering to racism, or using humor to demonstrate the nature of racism in a nonconfrontational way? Psychotherapists never tell a patent what their problem is. When they do that the patient becomes all defensive and they never admit their own issues. On the other hand when they help the patient to see what the problem is for themselves the patient is able to correct it. In order to elucidate the discusion, here is the joke in question; [rquoter] I got a notice in the mail to do jury duty and I really didn't want to do jury duty. You have to fill out this whole form and send it in and you are randomly chosen. A friend of mine said why don't you write something really racist on the form, like I hate c*****. I though yah, but I just want to get out of jury duty, I don't want people to think I'm really racist, I just want to get out of jury duty, so I wrote "I love c*****. [/rquoter] So the joke innitialy strikes the average person as funny because the corrected version of the racist statement is unexpected and doesn't really fix the racist nature of the first joke. The unexpected nature is abrupt. That is on the surface. But if you start to think about the joke, and why it was funny you start to think about the nature of racism, and how racism is about more than using hateful labels, but rather a way of classifying people in the world. The idea is that at some point you will have an "Ah Ha!" moment and the joke will have in a very subversive way snuck under your radar and made you think about the nature of racism. And the experience of comming to this conclusion on your own from the staryting point of the joke makes people more willing to accept it, as opposed to putting up their defenses at being told "You may not call people nasty names anymore, but you're still a racist because you categorise people and their abilities based on these characteristics." It's is the subversive medicine of social comentary hidden, like a child's medicine, behind a sugar coated layer to make the patient more willing to take it.
The N-word was considered unacceptable by the Conan O'Brian show producers. The choice was change it to the closest "acceptable" racial slur that the producers would allow or not go on the air. It was a compromise between herself and the show producers.
Racism is the only cause of mindless violence in this world. Yet another day where I learned something new.
Good post, Otto. dagimp would have you believe the producers of All in the Family were just pandering to racists. And whats up would have you believe Carroll O'Connor was a racist himself.
What?? Are you implying it isn't one cause of it? You might as well say cancer only affect you if you let it.
This thread isn't really about racism. All the anger stems from a solitary incident where a guy who was hungry for some kosher taco asked for some but got DENIED. That's the truth!
