You look at it the wrong. We DID free up cap room. Besides the fact that you can't not trade a rookie for Battier straight up. Even if you could, and also keep Swift and not use him, we are paying him his salary for nothing. Do you get it now?
That's great. Now who the hell is going to play the OTHER 15 minutes at each position? A great starting lineup can only get you so far, and the only way we even get James now is probably a sign and trade, but I guaran-damn-tee we lose Howard in the process, so then we have to go spend the MLE on a starting PF. Management put themselves behind the 8 ball big time with this crap. If this trade goes through exactly as currently proposed we have less options than a f*cking Kia.
I don't get it could you explain it again. And also explain why we couldn't trade the Thief instead. JVG is an idiot and I don't need that explained.
I have to say it again:"as i said, gay straight up for battier, that is fine with me. Adding SS into this trade is just insane." SS may not fit us well.(I still have some hope on him given more minutes) He definately has some trading value. Why the hell he gets back nothing???
Alston, Head, Novak, Hayes, Mutombo, FA signing, maybe Spanoulis... that can compete with most benches in the league. I'd say it's better than the bench of the team that just won the NBA title, for one. Depth wins regular season games and is more fun to use in making projected lineups. Star talents and a few ideal role players usually win championships.
Slow down rookie and explain to me how that helps our cap situation in turns of signing other players?
Memphis did not bother to make the offer to Swift last year. I don't think we had to fight anyone to sign him. Since then, it seems that we could not give Swift away for free. Do you think we can get anything for him?
Swift: 5.4 mil, 5.8 mil, 6.2 mil (player option) Battier: 5.4 mil, 5.9 mil, 6.4 mil, 6.9 mil, 7.4 mil Contract length is far more important than salary, as long as it's not crazy money. As you can see, Battier already makes more, but has 2 extra years. If we had kept Gay we would have had to play him less than 2 million for two years and then he'd have a team option. Even now, since we are trading 2 players for 1, we're probably going to have to pull a sign and trade with someone and take on some money to get an extra player to fill the barren roster. Now doubt it's better VALUE in respect to each player, but any money saved immediately is somewhat offset by signing another player to fill the roster, and greatly offset by Battier's extra 2 years.
So we're going to make blanket attacks without any analysis whatsoever? The Heat bench basically consisted of an over the hill Gary Payton (worse than Rafer), Shandon Anderson (worse than Luther) and Alonzo Mourning, who basically only showed up for two games in the Finals which is about what you can count on from Mutombo.
That is one of the funniest posts I've read and that is exactly how I will feel for the next few weeks. I just cannot believe the rockets completely dumped away assets like they did last night. I'm still shocked.
Without Swift and without Battier, our cap will be $49.7 next year. Swift's salary will be $5.4. Battier's $5.4. With Battier, and Swift, our cap will be $60.5. With Battier, no Swift, our cap will be $55.1 mil next year.
I like the trade too. SS couldn't even get off the bench when half of the players were injured last year. I love his althleticism and speed. I enjoy his sportcenter dunks. But he simply isn't much of an asset at this point. I have no problem with the rox getting rid of him. Rudy Gay is also unproven. Someone in the other post says I am not high on him because I only have seen him in a few games in the NCAA tourney. Well, there is a reason he only played a few games in the tourney. We are getting a very good player in Shane Battier while giving up a bench warmer SS and unproven talent Gay. I have no problem with the trade. Sure, it is possible Gay may turns out to be an allstar one day. But potentials don't make a player. Getting Battier definitely makes the team better right now. We already have Yao and Tmac, two superstars. I can understand why the rox wants to make the safer bet. We need to surround our two stars with smart and competitive winners.
I don't think that anyone here believes that Battier is a sh*t player or won't help this team out. What we are upset about is we gave up WAY TOO MUCH for him. I could see Stro for Shane straight up. Face it, the Logo ripped us off. Our main need is a better power forward and someone who is a legitimate third option on offense...we got neither and got rid of our tradable assets to get it. Garbage
And with Swift and no Battier, the cap would also be 55.1 mil next year. I'm not saying we didn't dump salary when we added Stromile to the deal. I mean, duh! He doesn't play for free (although he probably should). I'm talking about the deal as a whole. We don't really save any money in the grand scheme of things by sending Gay and Swift for Battier. We were both right, but talking about different things.
That's flawed math. Before the trade, they were at around $55 mil. After the trade, they are still at around $55 mil. They didn't save anything nor did they cut anything from their payroll. Under the CBA, you have to match salaries pretty much within about 25% (right guys?) in a trade. Otherwise, it can't go through.
Hypothetically, why don't you throw out some educated guess regarding the cost if we keep Swift and Gay vs. Battier and some FA. Gay might make $2 mil a year for 2, 3 yrs (we will find out real quick when Memphis sign him) but if Gay is as great as some suggested, after 3 years, he will want serious money. Or if he is worthless, in 3 years we lose him for nothing.
At least get the facts straight first: Rafer as of now is still our starting PG, James Posey if Walker starts, Zo plays and produces far more than Motombo, and they have doleac to fall on if they need to throw in a body and knock down some jumpers .
