the numbers would be worse if had you had pretty boy pavlovic guarding them...battier is far more superior to this eastern conference bum end of story.
Also Mehdi, I take it by your statement that you also are a young man. Calling someone or characterizing them as a fool because they disagree with you is a sign of immaturity.
whats with you and calling everyone a young man...i really take it as your a stuck up know it all but anyways back to the topic.
I haven't seen many people claim Battier is untouchable -- hell, even T-Mac and Yao aren't truly untouchable if the right (lopsided) offer came along. But it is amazing how many people (not saying you) discount Battier's value and lump him into all sorts of ridiculous trade ideas. If trading Battier could net us a (near) all star quality PF, then sure, make the trade. It's a lot easier to pick up a decent SF than a decent PF. Otherwise, in my opinion, he's the kind of player we want.
I am not young by any means and dude, don't take it personal, this is a forum board.. The reason I ask if you are his agent is because your defense logic on this Pavlovic guy is like a mother protecting a child, almost blindsighted..
That's fine, I'm all for trading him if it nets us someone better who we need, but Pav just isn't the guy. He can't rebound. He can't dish. He often plays with reckless abandon, turning the ball over a lot. And don't even try to say "well Yao turns it over too blah blah" because first of all Yao is a 7'6'' post player (it comes with the territory) and secondly Yao makes up for it in points, which Poor Pav doesn't do. Would I take Pav on my team? Yes. Would I trade our best asset to get him? Only if not doing so would cost me my girfriend and left testicle.
Cz4ever, would you do a Battier to Portland, Darko to Houston, Channing Frye to Orlando deal? If so then would my proposed trade of Rafer and Spanoulis for a signed Pavlovic be acceptable.
I apprecieate your comment. I'm not protecting nor have I protected Pavlovic and his defense. In fact I've never denied Battier's defensive ability. Pavlovic in my opinion is not a slouch defensively considering the fact that none of the perimeter players that Battier guards and who Pavlovic would guard are going play dramatically worse no matter who is guarding them. I simply like the idea of those same players having to guard a player who has the ability to take it to them on the other end of the floor as well.
I wouldn't trade Battier unless it is necc to obtain a far superior and consistent player, and preferrably a better rebounder. Someone like Marion or Lewis. I wouldn't trade him and filler for Artest because despite the talent upgrade you have major suspension/focus/chemistry/off the court risks. Pavlovic doesn't meet my tests either. Well maybe I consider dealing Battier for a young real solid traditional PF like David Lee (excellent rebounding, decent offense), maybe. Something like Lee and Q (vastly overpayed but he could contribute) for Battier and VS. But I don't think the Knicks would go for that, could be wrong, in our package they would get rid of one of their bad contracts to attain a real stablizing and shooting veteran at the cost of a very good young big but perhaps one they view as somewhat expendable given their roster.
From what I see, it would be much better than what Pavlovic can do, if Battier let Kobe score 40 points on him, I believe it would be about 55 points if Pavlovic is defending... Pavlovic doesn't have the defense skill like Battier, and his offense skills are purely base on "if he is giving the chance".. Once again, why trade away a proven SF for a unproven one, who is inferior and inconsistent in my book... BTW, here are the last 3 game stats on Pavlovic since you are so high on him: 21 minutes, 1-6, 3 points, 1 rb, 0 ast, 1 stl, 0 block 42 minutes, 5-15, 13 points, 0 rb, 3 ast, 0 stl, 0 block 27 minutes, 4-11, 10 points, 4 rb, 0 ast, 1 stl, 0 block
I was simply giving an example. Pavlovic looked lost and couldn't create effectively; when he drove he was out of control and turned it over. The only time he got points was when Lebron dished it to him for open jumpers. You're comparing Yao turning it over to Sasha turning it over? That's a horrible comparison, because Yao is a superstar while Sasha is a role player. Yao scores 25 ppg and helps carry the Rockets offense. Sasha is not supposed to do that, he's supposed to supply some offense to help Lebron, and so turnovers from him are worse than turnovers from Yao. What next, tell McGrady to stop shooting on one of his 8/25 nights?
Sasha is hardly a great athlete. Its not like he makes highlight style blocks and dunks. Besides, being athletic doesnt make you better. Kirk Snyder is far more athletic then Battier, but it doesnt make him more effective. As for being younger, it isnt that big a deal at this point in Battier's career. He is about 28 or so. If he was 33 or so then you might start worrying about age. Like it has been said, Battier should only be considered in a trade if it brought back an impact big name player ie: (Artest or Camby). Pavlovic is not that implact player.
I agree. If someone thinks Battier is worse than Pavlovic he or she is probably sorry but stupid. That's just so funny...
No. Darko has the potential to be a great player, but does not seem to have the drive. I would, however, be happy to offer Darko the full MLE, then cross my fingers. Sure, although Spanoulis has no trade value after his crying to the press about not being able to hack it in America. Personally, I'd trade Rafer for anything we could get and give the rook some playing time behind James. Given the Rockets' salaries, I'd prefer to trade Rafer for future draft picks, but doubt we'd get much in return.
Every once in a while, I venture into the GARM. Then I try to read threads like this, and it reminds me why I should stay away.
