I don't think Pavlovic is not a suitable replacement for Battier. I think Boki is a good comparison for Pavlovic. His defense is not nearly as good as Battier's defense, and while he can create offense for himself, he is not that good at doing so, he still relies mostly on Lebron to create for him. Sure he's more athletic, but Battier is still more effective. If athleticism were all that counted, Stromile Swift would be the MDE.
Now this is what I was aiming at. I only used Battier because it would be a lure for Cleveland to do the deal, however, I would love for them to take Rafer and Spanoulis because they need point guards and we could keep Battier or maybe snt with Orlando with him for Darko. Finally one voice of reason regarding Pavlovic in Adlelmans' system.
Actually, there is a always a reason why ppl can't recognized a player's name, and the reason is often because they "aren't good enough" for others to recognize yet..
Athleticism is not the only criteria I used to make my point. Check out Pavlovic on youtube and see how often Lebron had to create for him. Don't understimate the value of having a person create for himself. It's what killed the Rockets against Utah. btw the Rockets as well as most other teams have to play good help or team defense. Very few guys if any and put any good offensive player on lockdown. Battier is not Artest or Bowen who are both better.
Yao creates offense on every play. Scoring from the post is a form of creating offense. When he's going well, he's scoring reliably, drawing a crowd in the paint, and kicking it out for open shots or dishing it to slashers in the lane. I think you're overrating Pavlovic. His defense is improved, but how hard is it to improve from "my defense is my offense" (real quote from Pavlovic)? Battier is a far superior defender to him. On offense, Pavlovic's ability to create is overrated, Lebron does basically all the creating on that team.
Maybe it's because some people don't have the ability as of yet to understand the game is not about big names, but players that can play.
Youtube videos make Stromile look like the greatest dunker of all time. He can create for himself in the same sense that Boki can create for himself; sure, he (supposedly) has the ability to beat his man off the dribble and finish, but do we really want him to? I remember watching the Pistons-Cavs series, and Pavlovic looked lost. On one series of possessions he committed 2 charging fouls in a row where he was completely out of control. This is not the type of "creating offense" that we want.
I mentioned Yao not creating because of the earlier comment you made regarding him. He doesn't have to create for himself. He's 7'5. I'm talking about perimeter players only. Again Battier is not a Artest or Bowen defensively. The Rockets would do well getting a PF that has the ability to help out defensively in the paint which is the real problem for them. Go back and look at how the various perimeter players fared against Battier. Again I would like to have him on the roster but I want more ability overall from that spot on the floor.
What Jazz perimeter players torched the Rockets? Kirilenko? Harpring? Okur? Giricek? Miles? Brewer? Didn't think so. The Rockets' perimeter problem is not Battier, it's that our PGs cannot create... or defend... or rebound. If we had a halfway talented PG, we'd be fine. Trading away Battier would not, in my opinion, solve anything and would leave us a lot weaker defensively and remove our best kick out for the spot up jumper option.
Are you talking about Gay, Rudy here? Sasha Pavlovic in exchange for Batter is too much a lateral move for my liking. Battier might not offer the athletic and creativity tangibles along with his "intangibles". What he does offer is enough to where I don't Pavlovic would offer notiecable improvemet if at all. I'd do a deal where using Battiers name recognition might get back a more established slightly better player. I'd trade Battier for Drew Gooden though. A comparable player who fills a true need, not just someone to offer a different blend of talents at a similar position.
I'd love to know how large the stick is that you got shoved up there... Must be a redwood! Take it easy, smoke a bowl, and breathe...
I said go to youtube because you said he needed Lebron to create for him. The answer is yes we want him to create. I don't believe you're using 2 plays in a game to determine a players ability. If that's the case when Yao has back to back to back turnovers in a game we shouldn't want his touching the ball either. I mean let's be fair about this.
Lots ppl can play, other wise, they won't be in the NBA, but that doesn't mean they are better than Battier. Battier has a mentality of doing whatever the coach said with whatever it takes in a night and night out basis, I really don't see that in Pavlovic, nor he has the skills to do that, so no to him..
I don't remember Miles playing much, but if memory serves me , Harping, and Giricek had pretty decent games against the Rockets. I don't blame the Rockets defenciencies on D on Battier. I'm simply saying that he's not the savior and untouchable player some people are making him out to be. I'd much rather have a more rounded player at his position and a shot blocker a the 4 if a transaction involving Battier could net us that.
if you think pavlovic is better than battier then ur a fool...who else do you know in the nba that guards the oppostites team best player EVERY night...kobe, lebron,dirk,carmelo...this guy guards everyone and i must say does a great job...and he does hit the occasional 3's so hes not a ddead weight...
The biggest difference is defense. Battier is head and shoulders above Pavlovic in defense and BBIQ that everyone talks about so much. I agree that we need another perimeter slashing player, but if your gonna trade Battier, it better be for a whole lot more than Sasha Pavlovic. I honestly don't see that he is much better than Kirk Snyder. He shows some flashes of being a good player one night then the next three you won't notice he's on the floor. He's a model of inconsistency. You know what you'll get out of Battier every night with his hustle and defense. There might be 5 other players in the league that can do what Battier does. Thats not something you give up lightly for a marginal player like Pavlovic. Lets look at some stats. Pavlovic's playoff numbers: 9.2 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.6 apg...1.8 turnovers, 3.20 fouls per game...34% 3pt percentage, 38% fg percentage, 52% from the free throw line! yep...all star. Battier's playoff numbers: 10.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 2.1 apg...1.14 to, 44% 3pt percentage, 45% fg, 87.5% from the ft line. Don't forget about Battier's vaunted intangibles... but it seems to me that his tangibles are better than Pavlovics also (Pavlovic put up those worthless numbers in the leastern conference). So, explain to me again how Pavlovic is an upgrade over Battier? Now... Pavlovic to clean out some of our glut of guards is acceptable, but Cleveland's not gonna go for that.
Young man and I'm assuming that you are, I'm not promoting anything. I'm simply having a discussion about bball players. I'm not into the personal stuff you want to get into. If you want to talk bball lets' do that. If you don't have a rebuttal to what I say about a player so be it. Pls leave it at that.
Never called him dead weight. By the way, check out the players you named averages against the Rockets. Someone has to guard them. Everyone plays with 5 players for Christ sake.
