We had time on our side during the Francis and Mobley era and look where that took us. I just don't have a lot of Confidence in Dawson. To be honest with you , I think he should go join Rudy in LA.
oh geeee.... lets see... almost two WHOLE WEEKS have passed and we havent gotten anyone else to fill in our MASSIVE roster weaknesses... the freaking sky is falling. great post LeG...fully agreed glad to have ya back.
OK, this is the crayon version for folks like LeGrouper who don't read my posts before dismissing them as "whining". I'll keep it simple: I am NOT criticising CD for not throwing Uncle Les' money at this year's pitiful FA market. In fact, in several other posts in this and other threads, I have agreed that while guys like Snow would have been a perfect fit for JVG's system, the money being asked was simply far too much for the player involved. Now if LeGrouper would be so kind as to go back over my previous posts and SHOW me where I advocated the giving out of bad contracts to average players, I will PUBLICALLY acknowledge my mistake. Now here comes the part of my argument that LeGrouper has a tough time understanding: the illustrious CD. I am critical of CD not because he can't quickly fix what's wrong with this team but because it was his dealings that got them into this fix to begin with. I continue to pose a very simple question that all of the CD defenders have yet to answer: Why should we have faith in or continue to be patient with a guy with his track record? What evidence can you offer to support your belief that this guy will SOMEHOW or SOMEWAY build this team properly THIS TIME (as opposed to the time before that and the time before the time before that). But wait you say, it was CD who just brought us the "best player in the league" for a "much less dominant player". Now would that be the trade where the principal in the deal (T-Mac) forced said trade by telling his old team that he was walking out on them as soon as his contract allowed leaving them nothing in return AND so severely limited that team's options as to where he could be traded that he ended up here? If so, you are correct: CD did a great job! You say that we have "scraps" on this team. Exactly WHO is responsible for acquiring those "scraps"? Who is responsible for the bad drafts? The stupid FA moves? The bad contracts that are eating up cap space that will require the "one or two years" to clear? And while this is being done, what about T-Mac who bailed on one inept organization already or Yao who will be big FA prize in another year? When I look at the Rockets, I do so from a long term historical point of view that stretches all the way back to their days in Hofheinz Pavilion. I look at the long list of talented players who have been a part of this franchise and I can't help but wonder why this team has not enjoyed more success. It hasn't been the lack of basketball talent that has held them back. No, the answer is because of the numerous bad moves and decisions made by a Rockets organization that had neither a clue nor a plan throughout the years that have set this franchise back time after time. In that respect, to me, CD & Co. are a continuation in a sad tradition and that's why I want him/them gone. The Rockets have a history of getting great players and not doing much else and I don't wish to see that pattern repeated with McGrady and Yao. That sir, is my point.
Houston trades: Carroll Dawson (McGrady, Howard, Lue, Gaines, for Francis, Mobley, Cato) Houston receives: Mitch Kupchak (Odom, Grant, Butler, 1st rounder, for S. O'Neal) Change in team outlook: -2 top 5 players, +1 Franchise. Los Angeles trades: Mitch Kupchak (Odom, Grant, Butler, 1st rounder, for S. O'Neal) Los Angeles receives: Carroll Dawson (McGrady, Howard, Lue, Gaines, for Francis, Mobley, Cato) Change in team outlook: +2 top 5 players, -1 Franchise. TRADE ACCEPTED
Exactly!!! You look at what Kiki has done in Denver, Jerry W. in Memphis, Joe Dumars in Detroit and they did it in less time. Those Franchises were below the rockets and now they have moved ahead because of poor decision making. What about this building a team from scratch and look where that took them. I have concern on whether Dawson can turn this team into a championship caliber team.
You make your feeble point very eloquently Mr. Hillboy, however I have been reading your posts. My point, sir, is that you act like NO CHAMPIONSHIP = TERRIBLE MANAGEMENT MOVES. Well the game of basketball must actually be won on the court. The ball must be put in the hoop. No GM can do that. You acknowledged that we have had some good talent over the years. Your complaint is that the GM hasn't done enough to get the title. I contend the players haven't done enough. I am proud of our front office every year because they don't make moves like numerous other franchises and ruin our team. They give us a chance every year. The players don't buck up. As far as what Kiki did in Denver and West did in Memphis, those two teams have not done any better than us in the playoffs recently. I don't know why they should get anymore credit. Dumars inherited a contender and the reason Detroit won was because the players executed. That is what has to happen to win.
JH is a hell of a lot better player than MoT. He rebounds and plays defense and makes some great post moves. It isn't that MoT is that bad, it is that JH is really that good.
While I am happy for your revelation that the game is won on the court (where it counts I may add), I failed to notice anywhere in your sarcastic reply that you were able to provide specific reasons for continuing to believe that this organization with CD at the helm is capable of putting together a winning team around T-Mac & Yao given his history. However, I am most appreciative that you were able to explain to us that CD is blameless here because the GM does not play on the court and it's the PLAYERS who are at fault. That little fact must have slipped right by me. In your opinion, just who is responsible for PICKING those underachieving players year after year after year? Now if you really believe that the moves that CD has made in this year and past years ACTUALLY gives/gave this team a "chance to win", please be so kind as to offer some insight as to how this is so. I'm sure that Joe Dumars will get a real chuckle if you were to tell him that he "inherited" a contender. That would really make his day...
True Dumars did not inherit a contender, but he had more to work with than Kiki or Jerry West in Denver and Memphis. But according your your method of gauging the effectiveness of a GM, there is only one good GM a year, the rest are crap, because they didn't pick the right mix of players to win the championship. Year after year CD makes moves that bring in big draft picks, or big players, hoping to give us a chance. The players haven't been living up to expectations. **** happens.
Ahh, let the baby have his bottle. Tinman's alright,infact, the way I see it. He'll tire himself out eventually.
Yeah I know Juwan does that....in garbage time when the Magic are down by 20pts against a bunch of CBA rejects.
Personally i believe JH, will be a Vital Piece of the engine that will drive the Rox to alot of Success in the next 3 to 5 Years.
Vice Versa, Juwan hasn't played one day as a Rocket and you guys are annoiting him as SUPERIOR to Mo Taylor? A dude who gets traded as much as Chris Gatling? I believed we signed Mo Taylor to a long term contract cause he's good. Aparently, he played well, last time I checked in the playoffs... 'Juwan is on this team'.... well we had Eddie Griffin too.. he sucked
