I hope the Rudy Gay/Battier trade doesnt bit us in a$$ in 5 years

so its a success because they didn't get swept. look, I'm not going to keep going back and forth, but I would guarantee that the people gungho about this trade at the time argued that the rockets would get out of the first round.

how they lost doesn't matter, they lost. they have no money to significantly upgrade at other positions to improve, like pg or pf. they had an opportunity to get a guy who could grow with them, and help by the end of the season, gay's numbers improved as the year went along.

 

This is right on the money. I agree - I had reservations about the trade at first- but it is a sound trade. I am really proud of Battier- we need toughness to help Yao...

 

It was a mistake. Here's why.

We traded a great prospect to win now.

But we didn't win anything. In fact, as much as I like Battier - he wasn't the final piece, or even the next to the last piece.

Trade was a mistake.

 

The argument that they weren't going to pick Gay is among the dumbest for picking Battier. They picked a slow, unathletic player and gave up the potential upside of Gay plus the athleticism and depth that would have been Gay and Swift.

If (and I say it's a BIG if) they had targeted Sefalosha and didn't get the deal done, they are even dumber than the Gay/Swift - Battier trade.

Trading down meant they would have been receiving Thabo AND another player to make salaries and talent match. (Of course, since they were dumb enough not to get the Grizz's #24 pick, it is conceivable that they would have swapped 8 for Chicago's 13 without getting anything).

I cursed at my TV from the moment Ric Bucher mentioned the trade possibility during the draft. I watched Rudy Gay this season more than any other player not on the Rockets. It won't come close to 5 years before the die-hards here admit the Rockets were raped.

 

they still have time to win now with battier, but if they don't and rudy continues to improve, it was a mistake. I'm not calling it a mistake right now, but you can't possibly argue the other side either. not on regular season wins.

 

They won't regret the trade as much as regret the dumb meaningless win in Denver...

 

Shane is 0-12 with Grizzlies, 3-4 with Rockets in playoffs, so...

 

As usual, the Battier for President crew steps in and assumes that the athleticism and depth of Gay and Swift wouldn't offset all the charges Mr Intangible took.

If Van Gundy is gone and the Rockets are another 1st round exit next season, you can bet the SBOF's will blame coaching instead of looking at the true source...talent. Sorry, tangible talent.

 

I am sure they will be quick to sign you to replace Morey. First of all there is no way the sixers would take Hayes, Howard, Head and Sura. They wanted a PG, which Head is not, and they wanted expiring contracts, and Sura's isnt that big. They also wanted draft picks. I have no clue where you heard that rumor because it sure was not reported by anyone else.

Second, you act like the Rockets were the only team to pass on Milsap. If we are going off of hindsight, then I would have drafted Boozer or Josh Howard instead of having them slip to the second round and late first round. And maybe it would have been better to not trade for Eddie Griffin.

 

My biggest question is how so many people can complain about Tmac having no heart and seeming disinterested at times during big games, yet they cry for Rudy Gay who is far worse in both circumstances and has no playmaking ability. Let it go already. I dont see people posting any "Im sure glad we picked Yao instead of Jay Williams" threads. Move on.

 

Shane is a nice player but he's not worth what we gave up for him. We should have at least got Mike Miller is it was going to be worth a win now approach.

 

Battier > Gay + Swift

Roy > Battier

 

Battier is a high energy player, Gay, not so much.

Gay will be good, but I think Battier fits here more quickly, especially considering JVG's hatred of rookies.

DD

 

Roy = ROY

Gay = 3rd in ROY balloting


Gay + Swift ppg = 10.8 + 7.8 = 18.6 ppg

Battier ppg = 10.1

After the All Star break and VG clone Fratello's departure, Gay = 14.6 ppg


Gay + Swift Reb/g = 4.5 + 4.6 = 9.1 rebs/g

Battier Rebs/g = 4.1


Gay + Swift steals/g = .91+ .56 = 1.47 steals/g

Battier s/g = .96


Gay + Swift blocks/game = .95 + 1.15 = 2.1 blocks/g

Battier blocks/g = .73


Gay + Swift total minutes = 2,103 + 1,029 = 3,132 minutes


Battier total minutes = 2,988 minutes


+/- from 82games....

Shane Battier on a playoff bound team - plus 4.0

Rudy Gay on the team with the leagues' worst record - plus 4.8


It's just laughable how you guys hide behind that "intangibles" crap.

 

Not saying much considering this was the worst rookie class that I can remember in quite some time. NOTHING will ever make you get over this trade Gater.

 

Boy I sure hope passing on that Jordan guy doesn't come back to bite us...

 

Why should I? My favorite team went to the Lottery and all they brought me back was a pot of glue.

I've been on this planet a long time and formulated lots of theories. And I have a pretty good track record in multiple areas of thought...sports, investments, women, music, personal health...much more. Seldom in my life have I ever been more confidenced that something was the wrong thing to do as this trade.

I don't know how to explain it. Perhaps the irrationality of "fan-aticism".

I watch waaaaaayyy too much NBA...I DVD-R every Rockets game, I replay and watch analytically, I read game analysis from every worthwhile source I can find.

The NBA game today is about speed and athleticm. Trading for Battier took the Rockets hugely in the opposite direction. Instead of closing the talent gap to the WC elites, they lost ground. Rocket's management and the majority of this board grossly overestimated how close the Rockets were too the Mavs, Suns and Spurs. I didn't....and apart from another 1st round exit, I have to deal with a vastly minority viewpoint regarding something I believe as much as I've ever believed in anything....IT WAS THE 100% WORST MOVE THEY COULD HAVE MADE.

The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

 

not one bit

 

3 years from now?
even if Gay is that good in 3 years, by that time he will be out of his rookie contract, and we won't be able to afford him anyway..

 

Battier is no doubt better than Gay + Swift. He has special powers. He is a mutant.

Shane Battier's X-men transformation formula:

Mr.Intangible + pressure = Mr.Invisible