I have seen enough !! (The Francis and Mobley are dumb thread)

That is excellent if the exemption can be used in this way.

I don't understand those advocating a switch of SF positions will fix his/our problems. Shooting guards still have play offense within a system versus trying to isolate themeselves 1 on 1 for their advantage and shooting guards still need to play defense.

For those reationary whiners saying "how dare you question lord Steve after he has produced coutless wins for the Rockets", you must look at the big picture. Steve is a great individual talent and maybe even a great player on a mediocre to poor teeam who needs a potent 1st threat. But that is no longer where the Rockets are headed. SF great isolation and scoring talents are too stifled by a Yao centered, player and ball movement, offense, and SFs limitations (poor defense, floor sense, understanding of his fellow players) keep him from ever consistently helping the Rockets win in their new Rockets style. This is not a knee-jerk reaction most of the posters discussing this have seen the problems for 1-2-3 years but now with the JVG/Yao era they are complete obvious to most all observers.

Francis and Yao/JVG styles just don't fit no hard feelings, it will be less frustrating for Steve to play on a team he can most help and maximally perform for (a bad to mediocre team who is desperate for a dynamite 1st scoring option) and better for the Rockets to get a close to equal value player who better fits in with what they are trying to do now. Some of us see this earler than others, now I do agree Rockets should call SF "stupid" or get mad at him personally, etc., I think he is trying it is just obvious the approaches won't mesh. Thank him for the good years and let all move on.

BTW I completely disagree about trading Mobley. He has a great contract, plays excellent defense, a fine 3rd scorer, and turning into a good spot up shooter. Undisciplined at times, sure, but his benefits far outweigh his drawbacks and with a more disciplined but less talented 1 Mobley's bits of explosiveness that sometimes comes with the lack of discipline would be a bigger asset. When Yao is out we will need a guy who can just find ways to score and without Francis Mobley is the guy.

 

lol nice!

They are dumb! Win tonight's game and we will all be happy for a few days!

 

Steve's basketball IQ isn't that high but he is a pretty bright guy.

 

Now that I've cooled off after the j*zz loss, I don't think Steve and Cat are "dumb". I don't even think they are dumb players. I just think they have some very bad habits that need to be broken one way or another.

If this keeps up, I blame JVG. It would only be fair seeing as how I blamed Rudy when he was coaching them. Next time they ignore a pick and dribble into the corner only to get double-teamed, they need to have a seat on the bench. Even if the game is close.

 

Just curious, in real life (not basketball IQ), who do you think is smarter, Steve or Cuttino?

 

I met them both at Steve's birthday party a few years ago, and although Steve had a headache he was humble and thoughtful. Cuttino I didn't have a conversation with but doesn't seem to be as sharp as Steve.

I'm OK with the talented duo, their social skills and charisma. However, in large part I agree with the more mature posters in this thread, they've got some work to do.

 

Numbers do not tell everything. In this game Cato was liability in
defense. He couldn't guard AK47.

 

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I agree 100%. Cato is good alongside Yao for certain matchups. JVG must realize that Cato can't keep up with quick, athletic PF's in the league.

 

I wish it was the other way around. Dumb in real life, but idiot savants on the basketball court.

 

I agree with you on this post. Steve is playing totally out of control. He doesn't know how to play a half court game. He has been terrible this year about recognizing what the defense is doing to him and counteracting it.

What I especially agree with you on is WHY TRADE CUTTINO. He's actually been playing well this year. I'm trying to figure out why he's getting this wrath from the forum. So I checked out his stats from the last 6 games, where he's been pretty consistent throughout. 14 points per game on 14 shots per game. Not great but certainly not hogging the ball, just over 4 assists per game, just over 4 rebounds per game and 2 turnovers per game. His defense has certainly been very good. So WHY THE WRATH on the cat. Actually pretty darn good numbers for the 3rd option on the team.

 

I've never seen a box of hammers before.

This thread could have been a sticky for the last 3 years as far as I'm concerned. Having them both on the court at the same time is just trouble.

 

I agree. Finally someone said it. I was afraid to. Its JVG fault. NO matter how bad steve or cat plays,JVG should show them how to correct it by teaching them much like a high school coach would teach youngsters. Start a petititon to fire JVG everyone, because Ive about had it with him also.

 

Actually now I realize it was never Rudy's fault in the first place. It was always Steve who couldn't figure things out. Basically, Rudy got fired because of Steve's inability to improve.

Am I still happy with the coaching change? Yes. They are playing better defense and the offense is better for Yao, and I think JVG will develop Yao better than Rudy. But I am realizing that Rudy was a pretty good coach.

 

SLA that is priceless ! Ha ! LOL. For a Loooong time I thought Mobley was the one to go, but now it is clear that he's a legit shooter who can feed others when he' chocked off. Not so Stevie Blunder, he's a disaster. Maybe we can swing a deal for a true point guard, and as I said two days ago, a major trade feels eminant. JVG will NOT stand for his name to be dragged through the mud by this certifed idiot. It's time to put away the glass slipes, and quit wishing the little iso-phant gets a clue. PLEASE SEND ME A POINT GUARD FOR CHRISTMAS SANTA ! PLEASE !

And as stated, Rudy obviously was not the bad guy here !

Les, help us out here, we're drowning !

 

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Originally posted by poison
I also think Steve is hopless.

Yes, he hops very well.

He could be Hopeless, though.

 

Steve is talented, highly athletic. But he just has no enough bball IQ.