I have seen enough !! (The Francis and Mobley are dumb thread)

thanks gucci888,
that was one of the best post in this whole useless thread

 

We need a back up pg worse than anything. Mooch just isnt cutting and we all know it. It sucks that we are stuck with that contract. I think if Steve had a solid backup then he wouldnt feel as much pressure to get things done himself. We need a backup that can actually make things happen when Steve is having a bad night. We all already know this though i guess.

 

Pal, if your position is that the majority of the posters in this thread are simply having a knee jerk reaction to one game, you need to read the posts again.

 

I missed the Utah game, but judging by almost every post I've read today it seems that everyone wants the guards heads and in particular Steve's.

The funny thing is, I saw on Sportscenter how Yao shot 3-15 and I figured he was going to get bashed like crazy. Instead it's Stevie leading the way. I swear that Steve is the leading vote-getter to get traded now too. That is amazing considering Cat (Moochie doesn't count, his contract is pretty untradable) was definitely winning that poll prior to the Utah game.

Granted I did not see the Utah game, but how can so much change with one game. Maybe I'd be saying the same thing as you guys if I saw the Utah game, but if I would trade anyone it would be Mobley at this point. I don't think Steve will ever be a great PG, but I still think he can be a great player. The guy never really was a true PG ever and I don't think it's a position you can just pick up in the NBA.

 

By the way, does anyone know what JVG did during his time in New York? Did he makes any big trade or move his players around to make it work under his system? If not then I don't see him trading Mobley or Francis but try to work it around.

 

Yao Ming, the Rockets' 7-foot-6 center from China: "Playing in Utah is so very tiring, because you can't make the sea level go down."

 

Actually, in New York, JVG had very little control of personnel. That was the main reason he resigned as head coach of the Knicks. JVG was vehemently against the trade with ewing to seattle and against the trade with Oakley to toronto. After the trades, I basically stop watching knick's basketball. The Knicks became a guard oriented team and went downhill ever since to this very day. There is alot of similarity between the 2 teams in that both teams had 2 good guards in houston and sprewell, steve and mobes. The knicks played erratically, like a roller coaster, very much like the rockets team we have now. Extremely inconsistent and unwatchable.

As for trades, I rather trade Steve instead of Mobley. Mobley is a great defender and that's just what JVG wants. Francis is turnover prone and has poor court vision. The problem here is that as a point guard, he has control of the ball 95% of the time. To put the ball in his hand is like giving the opposing teams a second chance. Get the ball out of his hands and let somebody else run the team. If we trade Francis, we can get somebody great in return. Mobley has a cheap contract and fits into the system defensively, JVG won't give him up. Even with Steve at the 2, I don't think his turnovers will go down all that much. He will still want to iso and take over the team and we all know where that get us. A BIG L!

 

So funny. Yao should become a standup comedian when his basketball career is over.

 

I've said before and I'll say it again. This team is not going anywhere with Steve running the point & Cuttino as his sidekick.

Where are all the APOLOGISTS now? Coddell? FranchisBlade? Danjojo? Come out of your caves.

 

I don't want him to make jokes after losses.

 

if steve is really byc,and considering that JVG probably likes cat more than steve because cat is a better defender and shooter, all I can say is I think we should all quit complaining until the season is over. Its not going to get us anywhere. There most likely wont be any trades until the season is over. Even if this team goes into a tailspin by february,I doubt that JVG and CD will sacrifice Steve early just to make playoffs this year when they could wait till next summer and get more out of steve then.

I wanted to start a new thread about my post,so everyone could see it,so I dont know.

 

How many times has steve bailed us out. hit the big shot...many of times. now all of a sudden he's the stupid one. you got balls to say that on here but why don't you say it to his face. oh but i guess yao had a hell of a game right? truth is everyone sucked las t night...NO ONE WAS CALLING OUT PICKS. They did not secure the rebounds and were just plain inactive. When MoTay was hot the Rox went away from him...suggesting the coach is a firm believer in getting everyone involved. When one person is hot you got to get him the ball. The coaching stunk last night also. Everyone on that bench needs to just hand their checks over because they do not DESERVE IT. I am sick and tired of hearing a bunch of people b**ch and moan about crap they will never understand. If they're so stupid say it to their face. This team will not break up because you want them to or you feel you know what it takes to be a winner. Teams need to forge their own path to a championship not follow a blueprint of the past. The game is now clogged up in the middle and the outside shot needs to fall. I am in no way endorsing Steve's play last night because it was bad...but I know Jason Kidd has had worse nights and you can go to the statistical archives for that.

 

The Houston Rockets Drinking Game:


Everytime the Rockets turn the ball over on consecutive plays (i.e 3 or more times) take a shot.
Everytime Yao fails to dunk and opts for a layup take a shot.
Everytime the Rockets fail to run a fastbreak properly take a shot.
Everytime Moochie dribbles the ball down to 15 seconds or less before running a play take a shot.
Everytime you think to yourself "what the hell were they thinking?" take a shot.


It is my firm belief that every Rockets fan who has complained about these deficiencies on this team before, the ones that will follow this drinking game will either die of alcohol poisoning, or will be so drunk they won't have the nerve to come on this board and repeat the same stuff over and over again. The board will be more quiet and even after a loss you'd have to admit you'd be feeling pretty buzzed


Feel free to add more on your own.

 

Yeah bbs defintely has gone to hell ... The only purpose it serves is as a place to bash Cat and SF and whine and make excuses for Yao. Yao is going to be a great player, but this loss rests on his shoulder squarely as much as SF and Cat. They made mistakes, so did Yao, and the rest of the team. It was a bad shooting night for everyone and everyone made stupid TOs. I give some credit to the Jazz for the hustle by every player on their team and their ability to flop is perfected. I can respect peoples opinion that SF and Cat are not the good players, though I strongly disagree. It's just too bad people can't be more constructive with criticism. That's what being a fan is about.

 

I disagree that Pike was the only player to have a good game. Mobley's defense on Harpring (when he was guarding him) was very good (4/11 for 9 points) and he hit over 50% of his shots. If someone is shooting over 50% then they can't really be taking too many ill advised shots. Mo did not pass that much, but he did hit over 50% of his shots as well. He also grabbed 6 boards in only 26 minutes. Cato also grabbed 14 boards, so I can live with 2 turnovers. I wish he would not try out his post moves during the games though. So really, Pike, Mobley, Cato, and Mo T all had pretty decent games. Yao had a mediocre game, and everyone else on the team played like crap, especially on the offensive end.

 

For those of you who have brought up Steve's BYC status, fret not. We have a 6.5 mil trade exception. We can utilize it to swing the trade of a BYC player.

I posted my frustration about Steve and Cat in other threads and I was actually eloquent for a change. Steve's offense falls apart when he is exposed on D (practically every game). He is virtually uncoachable. He is a superior talent with a 10 cent head. Maybe that's the way it is with such mega-athletic scorers. But he and the rest of this young team fall to pieces under pressure.

Yao needs to drop the chopsticks and just dunk the ball and keep the ball over his head so it doesn't get stripped. He has his issues. But he's improving a lot within a year. Steve? Fifth year now, and almost no improvement at all.

Sometimes you can see he's trying. But again, he gets prison-raped on defense and he falls apart in frustration, and he takes all us schmucky fans with him.

I have all sorts of trade proposal ideas, none of them going to happen, I guess; but I wouldn't trade Steve straight up to another WC team. Maybe to NY (he'd be thrilled to have the spotlight) with Eddie for McDyess, Dyess to GS (expiring contract, which is what they want), and thus send us NVE. We should get a first rounder from NY, too, for that one.

As far as having a second star on the team, I think said star should be a forward, maybe Caron Butler. (Cato/Taylor/Boki for Butler/Grant? Oh, we would need a backup center. Cutturnover for Battie?)

Like I say, my "make-a-trade" mode is in overdrive, but better sooner than later. If Steve and Cat are gonna drag the team down, make them, and us, happier (and better). Pick up the phone, CD. Quit being loyal to bad players. You could have had Shareef Abdur-Rahim for Eddie and Rice. Now look what you got.

 

i gota damn good trade idea, Cat for B. Barry than move Steve to the 2! That would work out really well, give us a good 3 point shoter on the floor that looks to pas before he shots! What you guys thing?

 

DaDakota,


I have only bothered to read the opening post and all I have to say is that this is right on line as to what i've been saying all along, with one slight variation. The problem has always been Francis. Period!!! His head ought to be on a stake!!! Word here in Dallas is that Nash is a little pissed about being under-paid and may opt out of his contract at seasons end. This is exactly the person the Rockets need. It is time to rid ourselves of the inconsistancy and bring in Nash.

 

Steve is may be many things but I certainly don't think he's hopless.