I have seen enough !! (The Francis and Mobley are dumb thread)

Sorry to disagree but you just can't ignore the results. This IS a .500 team (this year). They are simply not that good on paper or the floor. Folks have to wake up and face facts: what you are seeing out there on the floor is the true Rockets. They have been playing this way for 4 straight years so no one should be the least bit surprised that they continue to, well you put it best:

They are losing to mediocre teams because THEY ARE A MEDIOCRE TEAM! They should not be considered "better" than anyone: not Portland, not Utah, not Phoenix, not GS, not Seattle & certainly not Denver until they get off their collective asses and prove it OUT ON THE COURT! (Quoteth Rick "Nature Boy" Flair: To be the man you've got to beat the man!)

Quit hoping and praying that Francis & Mobley will learn to play and think at the same time - NOT GONNA HAPPEN! Quit screaming for Yao to grow balls and be more like Shaq - THAT AIN'T HIS GAME! Quit believing that spare part players at the middle to the end of the bench can propel this team to the playoffs - NOT IN THIS LIFETIME! Marginal playoff team? Hah! We should be so lucky...

The bottom line is this: Whether you like it or you don't like it, GET USED TO IT! because the team you are watching today is your REAL HOUSTON ROCKETS.

Oh, and DD needs to take a valium for bring up Mark Jackson's name...

 

It's a very long shot, but I say we lure John Stockton out of retirement for a couple more shots at the championships with the Rockets. Karla's doing that with the Lakers, no? Stockton can still play. He averaged 12 points, 8 assists, 2.4 turnovers, and shot .500/.340/.840 over the past 2 seasons.

A FG% of .500 for a freaking, 40-year-old point guard! And he was consistently among the league leaders in FG% for the past 10+ years too, shooting better than .500 on most years and as high as .548. Now that's knowing when to dish and when to shoot. Pure point guards like Stockton are becoming extinct nowadays. Thanks to Michael Jordan, everybody wants to jack up their points per game regardless of the quality of their shots.

 

The difference between AI and Francis is AI is willing to pass even when he's not doubled. When AI penetrate and is being guarded 1 on 1 and sees a teammate opened, I noticed he will pass it. Where as Steve will probably force it. That's the difference between AI and Steve. AI has fundamental and Steve doesn't. ONly similarity between them is that they're both SG, not PG.

 

DD, I agree with you many in your post.
But one thing I'd like to point out is that Steve has changed a lot this season especially in more ast and less shooting,give him time to adapt JVG new system. The most headach is Cat because he is not known his possision in the team.

 

I missed tonight's game going out for a very bad dinner. Now I feel absolutely depressed finding out Rockets lost to Jazz.

Anyway, I'm amazed that this thread has gone 3 pages without someone stick in a YOF here. Maybe Machbath's thread did something, or is it because of DD's username?

 

Clearly you didn't see much of the Answer for most of his career.


In roughly 500 career games, AI has attempted about 11, 500 shots, not counting fta's. That works out to 23 shots a game for his career. Steve is under 16 fga/game.

 

When you're the main scoring option, taking so many shots isn't all that uncommon

 

Yes, both should know pass the ball at right time for the right person. Steve should keep it in mind Yao is his most reliable teamtes in the court instead of Cat,he will make right decision.Cat hardly have idea to pass the ball to other teamts except Steve.

 

HillBoy,

thanks for your comments. And remember, NBA players ARE human so change is still within their viable options. Don't believe me? Ask Jordan how he got 6 rings.

 

Absolutely. And until this year, Steve has been the main scoring option, like Iverson. And he has never averaged 23 fga's for even one season.

 

There are so many intangibles to this.

1. Francis' first year he wasn't the primary scoring option

2. Between Francis and Mobley, there are 40 FG attempts. So that tells us that Francis isn't putting 23 shots up is because there's another trigger happy player on the team. And the next highest shooter on the Sixers is Mckie at 7 FGA/game. Iverson+Snow+Mckie FG attempts doesn't even match the 40 that Francis and Mobley has between them.

3. And it's not the FGs that bothers me. It's the decisions that he makes or doesn't make. It's astonishing how a player can drive to the basket, while being double teamed, with a center impeding your way and you STILL try to make something out of nothing.

 

MacBeth, AI is willing to pass the ball more in recent years, he seems know that he has past his prime and simply is not as quick as before.

I can't image seeing AI miss a lay-up in a fastbreak and this year I saw lots of them.

And Steve Francis is not a scorer in the same level as AI, though it is his strength also. If coach gives SF green light to shoot as many as he could, I bet he can't score as same amount of points as AI.

 

Bah apologies is in order. My math sucks hardcore. B/t Francis and Mobley is 30 shots. so yea basically Iverson/Snow/Mckie is a tad over Francis/Mobley.


I know why the edit function is off now: a lot more people just looks stupid. (me)

 

Yes, it took Jordan 6 or 7 years to get his first ring. I just hope it won't take Steve Francis 6 or 7 years to play his FIRST playoff game.

It is his 5th year and counting...

 

well i was just disproving his theory that our team can't change and we had to 'face the facts'. great players will change and adapt. we'll just have to wait and see what francis and co. does.


It's funny that Francis, after the Bulls blowout, had said something about how the Bulls were all playing for themselves and that's how they lost. Maybe he needs to reevaluate what he says. Practice what you preach steve.

 

I don't care how much shots they took, i am talking about fundamental. Steve has none and AI has it!

 

Agree totally, I think Steve has a chance to be great, but not as full time point guard. He should at least not bring the ball up the floor and play a little off the ball, if not switch to 2 guard entirely.

I guess it took a unexcusable loss due to undefenseably bad decision making for more people to realize this. Even the Steve and Cuttino hardliners are staying away from this thread.

I really want to keep steve because he does special things. But a Cat Mobley trade would be pareto effecient. He's better off somewhere else where he can be second option.

 

Don't beat yourself up, we've all been there. Besides, some of your argument remains intact ( although Steve was the number 1 option for most of his 1st year, remember Hakeem and Sir Charles were hurt).His decisions are a problem, I agree. But they were for AI too. I remember one year when the big rumour was Iverson coming to Toronto for Stoudamire...and the rumour came out of Philly. Before Brown got there people were conviced that Iverson would never be able to be on a winning team.

If you've read many of my posts, you'll know that I'm not just blindly defending Steve.There are srious, long term problems there. On the other hand, he's under a new coach, and we're 13 games into the season...and, at times, he has shown development. It's a difficult thing he's trying to do, and people are reading too much into one game, hell, one play. The problem with doing that is that the reverse happens too; Steve goes out and scores 40 next game, we win, and everyone says " Don;t worry about how many shots he took, we won!"

I say don't get too high after a win, keep your eyes on the prize, and look for what needs to be wroked on...and don't get too low after losses, remember our strenghts, that this is a work in progress, and that we're early on in Steve's first try under a new hand.

 

the whole team is smokin dope!

we should build on yao, pike, jj, and padgett, purge the rest who are too slow in the head!

can't wait til Francis gets traded. he's the thorn in our side, and what's up with cato's amazing post up crap?? mooch, cat, MOT, cato, and SF aka school of "watch me go 1 on 1" gotta GO!!!!

Kings will eat us alive!!
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