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I have it (after many trials and errors): the solution to parity is here!

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by what, Jun 1, 2017.

  1. MorningZippo

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    No cap = no parity
     
  2. what

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    a hard cap isn't going to work, there is a lot of problems. Players wouldn't want to give up the potential money loss that a hard cap represents. And I still don't think it solves anything. because grear players would have to take less but if they are going to have to take less they are going to do it with LeBron than with mike conley.

    think about it, every team already has one max player, so there will be kyries out there to team up.

    The only way to beat LeBron is to allow small market teams to build a smarter team, which the auction does and also allow the spending to dictate and curb naturally.
     
  3. Easy

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    what makes DMo threads obsolete.
     
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  4. what

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    I don't agree if you diminish free agency parity will follow.
    The problem with free agency is it's too easy to coordinate players in their prime to one team.

    The way the NBA works now the draft really doesn't even matter as it relates to a championship team. All the draft does now is create a farm system for players to get skills and then bolt to a super team when they are in their prime, which is 7 years.
     
  5. Os Trigonum

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    DMo threads will never be obsolete
     
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  7. snowconeman22

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    I prefer what Morey has proposed

    1) make the salary cap a hard cap
    2) get rid of the max salary
     
  8. conquistador#11

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    I think every team that didn't make the finals should have an equal shot at landing any draft pick from 1-10.
    Only allow 2 max contracts, If a guy like durant wants to play for the team for $1 dollar, then that team will have to pay the equivalent of a max contract to the league, where it would be shared by every other team on any needs i.e better nachos or power dancers.

    I had this idea before jeff van gundy. I call it "the great eurostep forward" Make the nba glorious again.
     
  9. napalm06

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    After many trials and errors eh? What trials was this subjected to? :p :p
     
  10. napalm06

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    Nah, most teams did something sensible like spending $2B on Mozgov or Bazemore. This is Kevin Durant's fault. You can't make rules against people being losers and divas.
     
  11. roslolian

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    I don't get it, how does a blind auction help parity? Your idea would actually exacerbate the lack of parity in the NBA.

    The main issue why there isn't any parity in the NBA is because of good/lucky FOs vs incompetent FOs. If you look at the best teams in the league, these teams are manned by the best FOs who manage their cap wise and correctly pick (ie accurately value) the best players in each draft. Sure GSW managed to lure KD in Free Agency but that only happened because GSW correctly drafted Curry, Green, Thompson as well as managed their cap so that they were able to afford all their core guys+Durant on a max deal. OTH, Isiah Thomas was originally drafted by Sacramento Kings, but they let him go for nothing and he turned into one of the best players in the Eastern Conference. You know who accurately predicted he would blow up? Boston FO, the same FO that swindled so many picks out of Brooklyn. People complain about Lakers getting another top 3 pick and an imminent Boston/Lakers rivalry but that's because these teams have good FOs who put their franchise in a position to succeed. Lakers only got their pick because they wisely traded away their best perimeter player and acquired Corey Brewer, lesser FOs wouldn't do that deal because they would want to preserve their win total and they are afraid of getting fired.

    So your blind auction idea would be dominated by the best FOs in the league...namely Spurs, GSW, Boston, Portland, etc. OTH, franchises with dumb FOs like Philly and Sacramento would be stuck with draft busts whom they are paying 100M for the next 10 years. How does that help the parity in the NBA?

    If you really want parity you should do it like March Madness or NFL wherein each playoff match is just a best of 1 including the Finals while the no 1 seed goes directly to the Finals. Make it luck based so ANYBODY in the top 8 can win if they are lucky and go on a hot streak, that is the only way to have parity in the NBA because the smart FOs will always find loop holes to take advantage of dumb FOs. You will also need to ban any trades from happening so teams who have dumb FOs don't lose value in trades, like when Billy King traded all of Brooklyn's draft picks for washed up players. And stop doing the draft and just assign the players based on which team needs them the most, so the dumb FOs don't use picks on guys like Darko Milicic, Hasheem Thabeet, Nikoloz Tsikitishvili etc.
     
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  12. MacLovin

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    Came to post this. Superstars in the NBA should be making way more than the max. If you were say...the Sixers, wouldn't you offer LeBron $70 mil? LeBron + scrubs = Eastern Conference Finals every year. It wouldn't stop guys from taking less to play with each other but there's a big difference between leaving $15 million on the table and $50 million. There would only be room for 1-2 superstars per team.

    Along with that, obviously, you'd have to implement the hard cap.
     
  13. what

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    My contention is that free agency + contract restrictions are the cause of super teams, and not a soft cap.

    When LeBron was under his rookie deal, his team was average at best.

    what happen, LeBron got significantly better after he completed his penance to the league, at the same time he was able to recruit other players in their prime.

    Even with a hard cap teams are gonna be able to amass super teams. In fact there is no penalty with the hard cap.
    But there would be a penalty if you let mindless owners self destruct.

    In fact I take it as a given that teams with better bankroll are going to always have a money advantage, sdo you can't take that route to solve the problem.
     
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    Yeah, that's the simplest solution. But it won't pass the Union because the superstars will suck up all the money from the middle class players.
     
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    so with no cap...you are good with NYK and LAL buying the top pick every year basically is what you are saying? well thought out post as always what
     
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    Absolutely. Let's not pretend that Los Angeles, Miami, NY, Boston, don't already have advantages whether it is locale or marketing.

    The big thing here is that id rather make ny, L.A. boston have to Farm players for a change then have them get the player in his prime.

    plus, I don't think these teams would be able to afford the top pick every year when they will have to bid 10 years for each player. if it were two to 3 year deals then sure I could see that happening.

    plus I think that when you have the ability to cherry pick players it will make it easier to beat super teams.
     
  17. pirc1

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    You mean like the GS drafting SC, KT and DG and then attract KD? :)
     
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    I'm fine with their draft picks, but not with zaza, David West, kd, and iggy.

    under my rules, the iggy trade doesn't happen. why? because salary dumps are a thing of the past and you can't throw multiple picks at a team to get their best player.

    When you think about it salary dumps hurt the entire league except the team that is getting the star player.

    Why give an owner who signed a player to a foolish deal a way out, and allow the big pocket teams scoop in for a deal, ie pau for Marc and salary dumping players.
     
  19. roslolian

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    But I thought your goal was to have parity in the NBA? There's gonna be even less parity in your idea so what is the point? Right now teams like Sacramento still have a hope they will strike it rich in the draft. If they cripple themselves with a horrible contract by paying 60M for 10 years to Alonzo Ball and he turns out like **** how does that help the parity situation when it means they will suck for eternity?

    You just made the money advantage of teams with better bankroll way bigger so I dunno what the point of your idea even is. New York for example can charge whatever they want in MSG and the value of their franchise goes up no matter how badly their team performs because even if NY fans complain they still sell out every night. In your scenario they can afford to pay max money to all their players so what is the point? All the small teams who make a mistake will have a crap team forever whereas big teams can just pay salary that is 3x the others with no issue.
     
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    The money advantage is already there. Not a reason to dismiss my system. If all you are worried about in this system is: "wow look at the disparity of salary between teams." You aren't looking at this the right way.

    To me, the best way to game this system is to build a core of players on reasonable contracts and then when a Lebron comes into the league, go all out.

    Not to spend, 180 million a year on the top 3 players every year (you know how expensive that would get?). Is that what you are saying? If not, then what?

    In this system you need to spend correctly and make sure your scouting game is on point to succeed.
     

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