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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaFranchise, Jun 10, 2000.

  1. CriscoKidd

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    oooohhh....

    Heypartner said stupid.

    buuuurned.

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  2. Sky Pilot

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    Seattle's GM says he would make any neccessary trade to free up enough salary to sign Lewis. Another $1.5M would be really easy for Seattle to obtain.

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  3. NIKEstrad

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    Sky-No it wouldn't. They'd have to get 5.6 million UNDER the cap. Their free agents are Davis, McCoy, Person, Vinson, Patterson, and Lewis. Lewis makes 385K, and Patterson makes a little over 1 million. Their team salary last year was 38.258 million. The projected cap for this year is 35.5 million, if they let Davis, Person, Vinson, McCoy and Patterson go (McCoy and Patterson SHOULD be due for a raise, if anything) they still would be most likely a little above the cap, and that doesn't count all the people who's contracts raise (like the Bakers and Paytons of the world, etc.). Getting over 5 million under the cap will be a real challenge.

    (Maybe Houston's exception could help them out here...but I don't see any players Houston would really like.

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  4. Sky Pilot

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    #1 - Patterson isn't a free agent.

    #2 - It would be very easily for Seattle to trade say a Vernon Maxwell for draft picks to free up cap room to sign Lewis.

    If you don't believe me, just search the Seattle Times archives and read the comments made by Seattle's GM yourself.


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  5. Sky Pilot

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    McCoy isn't a FA either.

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  6. Sky Pilot

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    More: Baker's contract goes down because he is about to start receiving BYC.

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  7. MManal

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    Seattle's GM says he would make any neccessary trade to free up enough salary to sign Lewis. Another $1.5M would be really easy for Seattle to obtain.

    Uh, its not clearing off an additional 1.5 mil. If it was that easy it would not be a problem. Seattle's payroll last yr was 38.25 mil. That makes them over the cap by roughly 3.25 mil. The 4.1 mil they can pay Lewis is b/c they are capped out and that is 108% of the league average. If they want to start trying to match 5.6 mil, they are going to have to clear 3.25 plus another 5.6 mil. Thus, just clearing 1.5 mil is not going to cut it. In Seattle's situation, thats going to be very difficult to do as they have overpaid underperforming players on their roster like Vin Baker and Brent Barry. Basically, if Rashard Lewis signs a 5.6 mil offer sheet from the Bulls, Seattle is pretty much out of the race and loses their 2nd best player.


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  8. MManal

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    More: Baker's contract goes down because he is about to start receiving BYC.

    I dont think thats accurate. BYC has nothing to do with how much the player counts on the cap, all it does is make his contract value IN TRADES worth less. Just b/c Baker will be BYC, it does not magically drop his salary from 9 mil to 4.5 mil on the cap.

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  9. Sky Pilot

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    Basically, if Rashard Lewis signs a 5.6 mil offer sheet from the Bulls, Seattle is pretty much out of the race and loses their 2nd best player.

    Most sources are saying Seattle could easily free up to $7,000,000 to sign Lewis. You are welcome to read Seattle's GM's comments online at the Seattle Times.

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    For their free agents I went by this list: http://www.bskball.com/2000freeagents.htm

    I believe Baker already started BYC, he made 9 mill this past year, which is the starting salary.

    Maxwell for picks? Only to a team with an exception (Houston/Indiana) or teams under the cap (LAC, Orlando, Chicago) which none of would seem to have Maxwell high on the list. CBA trade restrictions. He'd be traded for picks AND a player with a salary within 15% of his, which basically would clear about 200K.

    His salary increases 12.5%, and I did the math, 85% of his for next year, is more than his salary from last year (if that makes any sense at all.)

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    Sky Pilot...you are confused, and entering into my radar. I suggest not doing any fly-bys into stupid threads anymore, especially when spewing garbage and having a history of carrying baggage of past obnoxious posts.

    Post wrong facts again in this thread that already is liable to cause stupid speculation, and you will become Devil for a month.

    Did I say you are so wrong!? You Devil.
     
  12. Sky Pilot

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    McCoy and Davis are FA in 2001 and Patterson in 2002; get a new source for FA information.



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  13. Sky Pilot

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    Did I say you are so wrong!?

    Wrong about what?

    Please enlighten me.

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    Most sources are saying Seattle could easily free up to $7,000,000 to sign Lewis.

    Oh yea? Exactly how do they plan to do this? Dump the overpaid stiffs like Vin Baker and Brent Barry on some dumb team? I'll believe that when I see it. Even if they dump Max's guaranteed contract on someone (which is also highly unlikely) that still creates no where near 7 mil. The ones they have to clear are Baker and Barry who have major deadweight on the cap.

    Also, exactly what do you expect Seattle's GM to say? That they are in deep trouble if the Bulls put a bunch of money on the table? Yea right.

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  15. Sky Pilot

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    Patterson has player option for 2002 (which means he can opt. out in 2001).

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    The ones they have to clear are Baker and Barry who have major deadweight on the cap.

    ...or Horace Grant, who's contract expires in 2001.

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    Sky Pilot-anyways, back to the original point, that puts Seattle in an even worse situation, as they have only 2 other players to renounce, neither with significant contracts.

    The newspapers are also the same device that are claiming free agent for free agent sign and trade (Eddie Jones for Ron Mercer) and the ones in Detroit are claiming how well off they are financially for the free agent market.



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  18. MManal

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    ...or Horace Grant, who's contract expires in 2001.

    Ya and some team that already has that cap space is just going to absorb his salary right? They wont go after any big name FAs they'll just absorb an over the hill PFs contract. Get real "Mr Rational". If a team is interested in Grant, they'll trade the Sonics players that equal his contract, not just eat his contract into cap space. Think about it.

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  19. heypartner

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    Sky Pilot,

    The Sonics cannot free up $7m....don't even try. Just quietly move along to other threads, and let this stupid thread die.

    If you want to know how wrong you are in nearly everything you have written in this thread...just post in the NBA area about the Sonics, and we can continue there.

    Stop your stupid Fly-Bys into this thread.

    To the admins:

    This thread is no longer about the Rockets, because Clutch and Aelliott answered the question. This thread is only spreading misinformation at this point, and misinformation about the Supersonics at that.

    [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited June 11, 2000).]
     
  20. Sky Pilot

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    Sky Pilot-anyways, back to the original point, that puts Seattle in an even worse situation, as they have only 2 other players to renounce, neither with significant contracts.

    The $4.1M Seattle can offer Lewis is already factoring the renouncement of all of their FAs.

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