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"I have a dream" 50 years later

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Aug 28, 2013.

  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    Segregation is alive and well
    Inferior resources and over-regulation

    The only difference now is . . . before they had to 'accepted' the poor white kids and just sacrificed the rich black kids

    Now
    They can get the Rich black kid . . and allow off the poor to suffer together.
    The Rich and the rest of us - Cornel West

    Rocket River
     
  2. DFWRocket

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    You are right - I was wrong.

    From The Papers of Martin Luther King Jr:

    "I don't think the Republican party is a party full of the almighty God nor is the Democratic party. They both have weaknesses ... And I'm not inextricably bound to either party."
     
  3. krnxsnoopy

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    Yeah, I believe the world is much more classist than racist.
     
  4. Rashmon

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    “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”
    ― Martin Luther King Jr.

    Some folks would be in deep **** if this happens.
     
  5. Nook

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    He voted a large majority of the time (D), if not all of the time.... He was a (D).
     
  6. bigtexxx

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    Yup. Guys like CometsWin and Rashmon are the reason we cannot have a dialogue on race in this country.
     
  7. Dairy Ashford

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    It didn't square with either party. "Wade" was a Southern conservative Democrat, just like all the level bosses in social struggles back then.
     
  8. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    LOL. It's not your race baiting, it's my calling out your race baiting. Good call.
     
  9. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Ha, post two in an MLK thread recognizing his historic speech is from bigotexxx talking about rap music and saggy pants as black culture. Yeah, pretty disgusting.
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    It was a legitimate topic -- MLK cared deeply about cultural issues, and the ones I mentioned (among others which you conveniently deleted) are relevant.

    I believe you just want to come in here and insult people. That's your priority. I'll be the bigger man and not respond back with insults.
     
  11. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Same routine, new day.

    MLK Speech thoughts?
    Rap music and saggy jeans
    Here we go again with the baiting
    I'm going to be the bigger man.

    Ho Ho Ho


    Nobody has seen that exchange before.
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    again you selectively delete my words to twist the message. If you aren't man enough to discuss culture in a thread related to Dr King's message, then it's clear that you simply prefer to hurl insults and leave it at that.
     
  13. Rashmon

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  14. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    I chose the words that were offensive and relate to your well chronicled history of race baiting on this board. Actually I somehow left out the half white/half black President part which is a constant racial theme of yours. All quite insulting.

    Are you challenging my manhood on a message board? U mad bro?
     
  15. pmac

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    I wouldn't say he was a democrat, he leaned even further left than that.

    I don't even know why any republicans would want to claim Dr. King, he was in favor of guaranteed wages.
     
  16. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Good article.

    Yes, Henry Payne, Martin Luther King Really Did Support Affirmative Action
    http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/6195#.Uh-a9iIo7b0

    Detroit News columnist Henry Payne took a moment yesterday to reflect upon the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King's March on Washington and carefully explains why he thinks King would be shocked and aghast by the civil rights movement's support for affirmative action.

    Payne says King would oppose affirmative action because of the "not be judged by the color of their skin but by their character" line from his "I Have A Dream" speech. The problem is the historical record doesn't support that premise.

    King also said and wrote a lot of other things in his all-too-brief lifetime, many of them offer support for what we now call affirmative action.


    Slate: In Why We Can't Wait, published in 1963 as the movement to dismantle segregation reached its peak, King observed that many white supporters of civil rights "recoil in horror" from suggestions that blacks deserved not merely colorblind equality but "compensatory consideration." But, he pointed out, "special measures for the deprived" were a well-established principle of American politics. The GI Bill of Rights offered all sorts of privileges to veterans. Blacks, given their long "siege of denial," were even more deserving than soldiers of "special, compensatory measures."

    Four years later King's words in the 1967 tract "Where Do We Go From Here" were even clearer on the subject: "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him."

    That kind of sounds like affirmative action. Now, true, you'll never see King refer to such compensatory policies as affirmative action and with good reason. Affirmative action as we know it was essentially created by the Nixon Administration (look up Arthur Fletcher and the Philadelphia Plan) in the years following King's assassination.

    One is also unlikely to find John Quincy Adams writing about NASA. Adams, however, given his support for federally-funded scientific expeditions and research, it's unreasonable to assume (if he were alive in modern America) Adams would oppose NASA.

    The same standard applies to King. Judging by the (ahem) content of speeches and writings, King believed special measures must be taken to level the racial playing field made uneven by centuries of slavery and institutional racism.

    Whether or not affirmative action programs are necessary policies in 2013 is certainly a fair question. However, it cannot be answered by pulling a couple flowery quotes from a Martin Luther King speech and calling it a day.

    We're better off leaving the words of history to history and focusing on the here and now, starting with the Brookings Institute's new report on social mobility among African-Americans.


    Brookings: Racial gaps in education, employment and wealth reflect the disproportionate representation of black families at the bottom of the income scale. But an urgent question remains: why, in 2013, is the income distribution so skewed by race?

    One answer is that black rates of upward social mobility are lower. Black children are more likely to be born into poverty than white children; but they are also less likely to escape. More than half of black adults raised at the bottom of the income scale remain stuck there as adults, compared to a third of whites.

    This harsh reality suggests African-Americans haven't yet been offered the "compensatory" tools necessary to overcome what King called the "siege of denial." Right-wingers are often quick to consider these facts, point to the 1965 Moynihan Report, and dismiss the whole thing with a clever line about family values. Of course, that is to intentionally misread Moynihan, as Salon's Joan Walsh rightly points out.


    Salon: First of all, while there were things to find objectionable in Moynihan’s 1965 report “The Negro Family: The Case for National Action,” he makes a passionate case that it was the legacy of slavery, the persistence of racism, black male persecution and generations of poverty that had caused the so-called black family crisis – not the other way around.

    Walsh adds that Moynihan's own prescriptions sound exactly like the policies right-wingers loathe: "Working for Johnson’s Labor Department, Moynihan proposed public works jobs and affirmative action measures, as well as a guaranteed national income, to lift black families, whether they were headed by one or two parents, out of poverty. Later, under Richard Nixon (a career move that sealed his reputation as a proto neo-conservative), he again proposed a guaranteed family income."

    Affirmative action critics have rightly pointed out that so many of these programs seemed to have calcified in the 1970s and therefore currently only have a marginal positive effect. That's a valid point, but it doesn't justify declaring the playing field sufficiently leveled in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

    In any case, while the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington is as good a time as any discuss if we've reached King's proverbial mountaintop (or how much further we must climb), to suggest King's record is that of an affirmative action opponent is not only disrespectful to his legacy, it does violence to history.
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    You're trolling.

    and why must you cling to the antiquated Jim Crow-era "one drop rules" around race? Barack's mother was white.
     
  18. pmac

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    Almost all half black/half white individuals I've met identify themselves as blacks more because they see a level of racial discrimination that cannot be experienced by the majority.
     
  19. CometsWin

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    No, you said he was half white/half black and you have constantly harped on his racial makeup. That's certainly not in keeping with judging him on his character now is it texxx? Why are you fascinated with his racial makeup to the degree that you would continue to harp on it? It seems as though when you attack him you use Hussein and Balack and lazy, phrases with racial connotations, and that he is half white. How is your focus on his race at all necessary in discussing his performance? Why do you have to stoop to such a level with racial implications in your criticisms? It's telling.

    Recognizing that when Obama walked down the street or interviewed for a job or drove a car or dated a white girl that he was seen by the public as black isn't antiquated Jim Crow, it's reality and it's America.

    Believe it or not, you don't have to grow up in a ghetto, sling drugs, rob convenience stores, and wear saggy pants while listening to Little Wayne for people to see you as black.
     
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  20. bigtexxx

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    Even in his famous 2004 DNC speech he emphasized both his white and his black ethnicity.

    I've never once called him "balack". You're putting words in my mouth. You're lying.

    Laziness has racial connotations? As if other races cannot be lazy? Give me a break.

    You're trolling hard in this thread.
     

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