So wanting to play more precludes you from being on the team? Kenny Thomas probably thinks he should get more minutes, he obviously doesn't fit. Mo Taylor averaged under 30 minutes a game for us. Do you think he's happy with that? Do you think he doesn't want to play more? If so, he obviously doesn't fit in here. Walt would like more minutes, too. He doesn't fit. I bet Collier and Langhi enjoyed warming the bench last year too. Hakeem didn't fit last year because he wanted more minutes. I didn't realize wanting to play meant you didn't fit in. New concept there. Shandon has started every game the past two seasons, and has played starters minutes in the majority of those. I can't see him being happy in a role of about 15 minutes per game, and it could lead to a lot of problems with him complaining later on, etc. Those other guys know their roles on this team. Shandon does not think his role should be playing 15 minutes per game I'm sure, and I think that would be his role on this team. I could see a potential chemistry problem there. Depends on whether or not you value defense, I would imagine. I value scoring, rebounding, passing, and playmaking ability combined a lot more than defense alone. Those are some interesting stats there, where did you pull those from? Watching all the games. If you want me to bring you statistical analysis from his individual games, I guess I can do that too. Yeah, you know Shandon, that big complainer. He's done it everywhere he's been. Two weeks into his tenure with the Rockets, he and his agent were complaining about his role in the offense. I can't see him happily accepting his 15 minutes per game role in the offense next year, no matter what he is payed. Except for the two Finals teams he was on, I guess. If Shandon was near that player, he would be an excellent asset. But what has happened since those days? His post-up game has been figured out by the rest of the NBA, and he rarely uses it at all anymore. He isn't nearly as aggressive heading to the basket. He isn't shooting the ball nearly as well from the perimeter, and he doesn't seem to have that same fire on the defensive end. He may have been a pretty good defender against SG's, but I wouldn't call him good against SF's, which is the only place we would have to play him, should he return. ------------------ Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! The Mo Taylor Fan Site [This message has been edited by The Cat (edited July 06, 2001).]
Kingrene, no need to stop me there. read the rest of the post and respond, if you please. how can you say that eddie griffin is not ready to start when you have not seen him play yet? notice i did not say that griffin should be starting. this is because i have not seen him play an nba game yet, either. i am only referencing the players who were on the roster last season. if we're gonna talk hypotheticals all things are possible, including griffin being or not being ready to start &/or morris being or not being ready to start. that wouldn't make sense though, so let's stick to the players that have actually played an nba minute. so tell me, why is he a better starter than walt? or even langhi? or even cat @ the 3?
Cat - how is it that you hold Shandon's 6'6" height against him at SF, while not mentioning Mobley 6'3" size at SG? They are both undersized at those positions. Mobley was a better defender his first season (playing PG) when he was chasing around guys his own size. I agree that Shanderson's defensive strengths are not best utilized as a SF. He needs to get his playing time (in Houston or elsewhere) at the 2. ------------------ I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip that I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.
oh and Kingrene, thanks for noticing the bulge in my cheek (boy, that doesn't sound right...). shandn isn't an 11th/12th man. he, IMHO, is an 8th man off the bench. a stacey augmon type. and here's a prediction: in 4-5 years, if he doesn't improve, shandn will be out of the nba.
bingo, if you were an nba gm, honestly what player or what "kind of player" would you give up to acquire a shandn andersn? can you even consider giving up a 1st round pick? i can't. 1st round picks at least have the potential for growth, especially now with all the underclassmen and HS'ers coming out. ------------------ here's a verse: hating this name is a full time job for me; shandon in the nba is highway robbery!
HeyDude, given, eddie griffin would improve shandn's game. shandn could then run like a deer. but what nba sf worth his 23 footer couldn't run like a deer with a good rebounder. how hard is that to find? ------------------ here's a verse: hating this name is a full time job for me; shandon in the nba is highway robbery!
Verse: Hmmm... I should have suspected that. Your list just ruined any credibility you have on the issue. I checked out a few guys on your list... and didn't bother doing much more, because it's obvious you're not interested in discussion... just bashing Shandon Anderson no matter how ridiculous it makes you sound. Come on... that list was completely disingenuous. Hersey freaking hawkins? the guy averaged 3.1 pts this year on 40% shooting? He's better than Anderson? Sieve defensively, and offensively... nothing. Bruce Bowen? More consistent shot? Try 36% from the field this year. Curry? Can't defend worth a crap. Great from the 3pt line, but can't hit anything else (42%). Can you say WALT WILLIAMS? Guess what? Anderson beat out Walt. Pat Garrity: You realize he shot under 40% this year, and plays mediocre defense? He's tall, so he gets good per minute boards... but that's it. Another Walt!!!! Who was benched at SF, again? Then you neglect teams like the Knicks. You mention Spree, Houston, and Rice... ok, so how does this prove that Shandon's not in the top 8? Peachy. Three of their 4 best players. You do this repeatedly... you name like 3 guys at those positions and say! Oh, no room for Anderson! Neglecting to point out that those guys can also play other positions to create the best line-up, and you leave plenty of minutes open. Anderson would make the top 8 on every single one of those teams you named. A couple of them, I admit it's close, like with Orlando. ------------------ Clutchcity.net... source for all your Rockets, Astros, political, music, humor, and Gordita news.
haven -- I pointed this out earlier, weren't you listening? What's the point in participating in a thread where the prevailing themes are "Shandon Anderson is an 11th or 12th man" or "Cuttino Mobley plays better defense than Shandon" or "Shandon will probably just complain when he doesn't get his way"...you're obviously not going to get through by being rational. I've wasted WAY too much time with this one...don't know what I was thinking.
haven, i had to trim it down somehow. what i chose to do was pick 4 players from the 2 and 3 spots. the 1, 4, & 5 is irrelevant. the guys i listed are the guys that i feel shandn would have to beat out. and, despite what TheIdi...er TheFreak has to say we can discuss those if you like. i did not bother looking up FG% on all these players. why? because 1) it would have taken too much time and 2) (in all seriousness) there is more to a game than stats. pat garrity is at 42% and so is walt. so you automatically equate them? that's silly. walt is the definition of a streak shooter, capable of shooting 60% from 3 point range for 2 or 3 straight weeks. then again, he's also perfectly capable of shooting 24% from 3s for 2 or 3 straight weeks. garrity, from what i've seen, is pretty consistent with his shooting. not so much up and down. but stats won't tell you that. forget the stats, give me personal analysis. they tell much more about the player...and the poster. ------------------ here's a verse: hating this name is a full time job for me; shandon in the nba is highway robbery!
verse: I'd certainly give you more player analysis if I could. Unfortunately, if a player doesn't play for Houston or Boston (not a fan but I live there) I haven't seen him play too much. That means I'm left with the general impression from a couple of games, and stats. I'd rather rely on stats to determine the quality of someone's play, if not the style. I've come to agree with you over the past year to some extent: last year at this time, I thought Anderson was better than Mobley. The past year has proven that's not true. Anderson's game is too incomplete for that: he really does need a better shot and better handles. While I could see him acquiring the former in time, the latter seems to be something few players develop late in their careers. But Anderson has his strengths as well. I don't agree that he's only above average defensively - he plays good on on one defense, but excellent help defense as well as the passing lanes. Citing a few games where Kobe Bryant torched him insn't going to change my midn about that. Almost seems like the people on here saying "Antonio Davis couldn't guard Shaq, so we don't want him." Bah. About 4's and 5's... well, yes it's true that none of the people you listed are going to play C any time soon. But the range of those players includes the 1, 2, 3, and sometimes 4 (not at the beginning of the game, but during). The Knicks for example, the case that bothered me most that you pointed out, sometimes go large with Houston at the point. Most of those teams could find 20-28 minutes a game for Anderson. I'd disagree with you about some parts of it, but acknowledge that you might be correct: like harrington and eddie robinson... I'd prefer Anderson to either of those guys. But I certainly see that someone else might not (potential, again). Garrity may have been consistent... but Anderson shot 46.5% from the field this year. That's quite good for a SG. Granted, he was absolutely horrific from 3pt land, but his career % is at least respectable. Couple that with good team defense, hustle, and good size (at the 2) and you've got a player who could help out any team on that list in the regular rotation. Garrity is worse from the field, better from 3pt, but worse on defense. Seems like an easy choice to me. guys like Bowen... no contest. Strange how Anderson sparks more arguments on this board than anyone else. Seems to me like a pretty uncontroversial guy... ------------------ Clutchcity.net... source for all your Rockets, Astros, political, music, humor, and Gordita news.
haven, andersn strikes so many arguments on this board for the same reason shane battier struck so many arguments and considerations in this past nba draft: with both players you must seriously consider whether or not they have "hit their ceiling". you know what you're getting, and it is solid in both cases. however, the problem starts when you start considering: 1) is this good enough to win with? & 2) can i get the same from another player with more upside? regarding bowen, you say it's a no contest. yet, there are teams this offseason that are considering either shandn or bowen. if the difference were as clear cut as you believe it is, teams would make it more obvious who their preference was. in my opinion, shandn and bruce bowen are on the exact same tier. right along with stacey augmon. and i appreciate the honesty about the player analysis. i guess i have had the advantage of watching A LOT of games the past few seasons. nba league pass has me spoiled! so that's why i lean away from stats so much, because i have the opportunity to see more than the "cliff notes." and as for TheFreak's comments about not using logic...bah. never once does he ask me a direct question, nor question me directly. he/she is a challenger who won't look you in the eye. i won't waste my time with that.... ------------------ here's a verse: hating this name is a full time job for me; shandon in the nba is highway robbery!
Shandon -- your incessant bashing of SA has always annoyed me, although you only seem to have started it rather recently. In retaliation I've tried to annoy you, but that is getting tiresome, as well as pointless. I don't really feel like doing it anymore. I probably would've stopped sooner, but you kept overreacting to my stupid comments, and that just made it more fun. What you probably don't get is that something would only bother me if it came from a poster I respected. If FranchiseGriffCat20012002 wanted to trash a player I liked, I probably couldn't care less (sorry if anyone here actually uses that moniker). From now on I will try to just ignore the things you say that annoy me, and not let that get in the way of discussion (assuming you'd want to discuss anything with me). Now that I've revealed far more than I'm comfortable with, I'll let you get back to bashing Shandon, Shandon. Happy posting.
Awwww how sweet... ------------------ This post contains no smilies, you must judge my seriousness on your own... Have no fear kiddies, the name's changed, but the Mobster is still the same...
Wow. TheFreak and I actually have something in common. Ever since the "Hakeem is a Whiny b****" thread that ruined posting on a night we beat Utah by 24 points, I've wanted to annoy you incessantly. Difference is, I still feel like doing it. Soon, you will never know who I am. I could actually be the next FranchiseGriffCat20012002 someday. And if you ever respond without respecting me, then I'll know I got you with a good jab! Boy, that Whiny b**** thread really sucked on that night! I will get vengeance. Oh, I guess not, because his side won the bet. screw me....I'm a loser for over 30 more months.
the problem is that my bashing is based in fact and your annoyance in based in personality. ------------------ here's a verse: hating this name is a full time job for me; shandon in the nba is highway robbery!
ps. i hate a FRAUD. that means someone who poses as one thing, but is in actuality another, lesser thing. a "shooting" guard who can't shoot but wants to be involved in a high powered offense? ridiculous. a poster with intelligence who won't intelligently respond...sickening. ************ let's just end the personal sh#t and debate the topic at hand...is shandn a vital piece to the puzzle, considering he has complained in the past about his involvement in an offense to high-octane for his gas tank? ------------------ here's a verse: hating this name is a full time job for me; shandon in the nba is highway robbery! [This message has been edited by Shandon Anversen (edited July 06, 2001).]
Pete Rose is a fraud. And he spoke too soon. To bad I didn't make a bet with you that Anversen would trash that annoying apology. yes! this board has cliques. And this forum will be controlled by real basketball talk....not mockery. Move that to the bowling alley logic in the Hangout. just kidding maybe, maybe no maybe am I trying to fry myself again. I kinda like it, because I'm so tender after ass cookings, and juicy oops, now I'm making a mockery of my crispee self. Damn crisco burns my hide!
well, heineken calls!!! beware if i come back later. i get frisky after i get a little heiney!!! ------------------ here's a verse: hating this name is a full time job for me; shandon in the nba is highway robbery!
