Dude, this thread got hijacked a long time ago, or hadn't you noticed? I never called Christians foolish, by the way. Defensive much? I didn't even elaborate on what I actually think of Christianity, and I'm still catching ****. Hilarious!
Fair enough. Point taken. You can convey a message without ever saying what the message is. When you state that you aren't going to say something, it is human nature to infer what that thing may be. If I have erred I apologize.
Quick, <b>Jeff</b>, name 3 bureaucracies which are smaller than the educational bureaucracy? How hard is it to have influence? There is no such thing as "without prejudice' in these kinds of instances. If no one is to be catered to, there can be no choice. I am saying go with our historic roots. <b>dimsie</b>: I think <b>refman</b> has cut you some slack based on what you wrote, "I've (dimsie) never said how I really feel about Christianity here, for example, because it would make people upset..." What were we to expect?
My point was that I, and I'm assuming some others here, are actually very tactful about Christianity on this board, so the idea being bandied about in this thread - and another one - that there's a lot of 'Christian-bashing' going on from the agnostics and atheists is really silly. As I said earlier today, this is the most Christian-friendly forum I've ever been in. You can find plenty of other places to feel (possibly accurately) that you're being persecuted, but this board isn't one of them. (I was brought up in a family that believed becoming a born-again Christian was a sign that you had lost your mind, so I think my slightly irritated agnosticism is relatively mild in comparison. I've evolved! )
I wouldn't call it hijacked just yet, but it's almost got in a car with strangers a couple of times. This is a subject that isn't exactly black and white, and thats what makes it worthwile to talk about. Mad Max said I agree with you there, and thats a shame. It's kind of like the Middle East situation in a way. You have each side chanting "they started it" at each other and in the end you're right back where you started.
What the hell is she supposed to do, say nothing in fear that she steps on some toes? I haven't seen anything that crosses a line from my point of view. Seems to me like you need to thicken your skin a little bit.
Am I wrong or did no pro-Christian here complain about their treatment? Simply a non-Christian bragged about the fairness of the treatment here. What is the criticism justified by and aimed at?
He is <b>one of</b> the Christians arguing for his side. He could not be guilty of crossing the line in bashing Christians. Perhaps I'm confused about what you are trying to say. If so, enlighten me.
Htownhero-- If you look at what she said, she OBVIOUSLY said that people on other boards are much worse than she is. The implication is that if she is better than people on other boards then she must be good. We could quibble all day long on whether she crossed the line or not, but what is true is that what she said is little more than a thinly veiled bashing of Christianity. I merely reacted. I appreciate your concern though.
I understand that, but I still have yet to see where she was "bad". I assume you are referring to this. Is this the "bashing of Christianity" that you are referring too? Before we go on, maybe I should wait to find out if I'm missing something. I am not ashamed to admit that I may have missed something somewhere.
Well, if 'what I think would upset people, so I don't say it' counts as 'bashing' Christianity, this really *is* an incredibly Christian-friendly forum. Which was my point in the first place, right? I didn't say 'we're bad, but others are worse' (or if that was implied, it wasn't meant). I said that IMO, no one on this board is abusive to Christians or to Christianity, and there are plenty of other forums where this is not the case. (Of course, if you can't hack a few mildly worded jabs at your religion - which is about as far as any 'abuse' goes here - perhaps you shouldn't be a member of it.)
