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Again, it's deep red states and their hatred for sex education that have this issue. My solution is to let educators teach sex ed. Other than that, people should do whatever they want to do.

Your 'solution' of telling people to not have sex until marriage has existed for hundreds of years, why is that not working out? I mean if that's your solution then that's a very poor one that has apparently not been working.

 

Were there more black fathers with their families over 100 years ago?

This paper seems to disagree with the research cited by the Moynihan's report, which is a subsection from the wiki you cited. It basically says that black people since the 1850s, meaning when slavery was still legal pre-Civil War, have always been subject to an increased likelihood of separation from their own family members and that the idea that black people until as recently as the 1960s, were more of a nuclear family household until cultural shifts deteriorated the fabric of black families is revisionist history.

The paper doesn't really seem convinced that economic disadvantages are solely the reason for an increased likelihood of single parent households as in some instances living in poverty made you too poor to actually leave your partner but it doesn't buy into the idea that cultural shifts in the 1960s are responsible for the uptick in single parent households either leading up to present day. It doesn't make a strong claim for any one thing being responsible but it does tend to dissuade the idea that black families 100 years ago were better off as a nuclear family than they are today as you claim.

 

how do we get fathers to stay home and take responsibility?

 

To weigh in here I think we need these things:
1. Most important is you have to increase economic opportunities. It would be more likely a father will be willing to stay and raise a child if they believe they economically can do so.
2. Reduce the rate of incarceration. Which is also tied to the first part.
3. Also related reduce the rate of drug addiction.
4. Provide more education on family planning, availability of contraception (especially to women), and yes this does mean access to legal abortion. If children are planned for it is far less likely that a parent will abandon that child.

 

Yes, you've stated the problem - that kids need their fathers and there is a need for fathers to stay home and take responsibility.

So how do we do that?

 

Hijacking a tragedy to push a political agenda is annoying.

 

Be better humans.

 

To do that we might need artificial parents

 

At least you are giving a solution.

 

#1- there is unlimited economic opportunity in this country. Having kids should make one embrace those opportunities, if they haven’t already. It certainly shouldn’t deter one from improving his financial situation,

#2 - we have to be better humans for that. We all should respect and obey the law enough to stay out of prison. Especially when we have little ones depending on us. Obviously. Fathers in prison is out of control and there aren’t enough good excuses for it.

#3- Again, when we have kids we need to get off any addictive hard drugs. At some point people need to take actual steps for themselves to advance in this world. Its not a hard line insensitive stance, it’s just common sense. People have a duty to try to be good people, at some point. It’s not always the Dad’s decision to leave the house, I get that.

#4- agreed on pretty much all of that one.

the government is never ever gonna give you the life you want. In America, you gotta take that ****. Holding down a job and paying your bills and raising your kids right and being a good faithful husband takes a real man. Real men are real men, a lot of times, because of their upbringing.

 

Being a better person isn’t a solution? What is it? Are you trying to imply that the government should do that for you?

 

I'm just asking you how you implement your solution. You say, by you being a better human, it solves the problem. How does that translate into a kid having a father?

Kids who don't have fathers don't grow up to be good fathers. We all can agree on that. So how do you change that? Tell the kids to be good fathers??? What's the solution?

 

You aren’t this thick

 

I'm just asking a question which you don't appear interested in answering. So before this becomes an insult fest, I don't see the point in continuing. Have a great evening.

 

Lots of gang violence
Your father figure might be gangsters
A lesson learned in the movie
Menace 2 Society

 

You know what Im saying. Go to bed.

 

He just wants to say the opposite of what you say

 

If that were so simple then we wouldn’t have generational poverty nor would it matter whether fathers were in around.

Escaping poverty isnt easy when you don’t already have financial opportunities or educational opportunities. We celebrate stories of those who work their way out of poverty not because they did what was expected but because they did something exceptional.

Again much easier said than done. Especially when you’re in a group that is already frequently looked upon with suspicion. Also part of the idea that having fathers around is that they can be better role models yet this whole discussion is about that children are growing up fatherless and without good role models.

Drug addiction even hits people with two parents who are successful. We’ve seen programs like DARE with very low success rates. “Just say NO!” Doesn’t really work or else drug addiction would’ve been solved in the 80’s.

Again that’s nice in theory but if that was all too it we wouldn’t have the problems we do. Certainly human nature should be better and men should take more responsibility but you can be very responsible and still be stuck in poverty with little chance of making a better life for yourself and others.

 

So I guess you also think self improvement and accountability should come in the form of another government hand out? People need to help themselves. The government will never ever do it for you.

 

The government can’t do it for you but it certainly can help. Proving for things like health care and childcare certainly can help. Drug treatment programs can help also. For that matter government can help too through enterprise zones that reduce tax burdens and other measures that make investment and development in poorer neighborhoods more attractive. Government can also address issues of policing.

Also I never said government was the only institution that can help. Non government groups can also help providing services and investment in these areas too.

My main point is that simply looking at this as a problem of human character ignores how difficult it is to address these problems. Particularly when the natur of the problem is that children aren’t growing up with the role models or resources to learn to have a good character.