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I Don’t Have to Post About My Outrage. Neither Do You.

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  1. Ubiquitin

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    Wise words for a BBS being overrun with hate because of Israel and Palestine.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/17/opinion/social-media-israel-palestine.html

    I Don’t Have to Post About My Outrage. Neither Do You.


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    I am neither Jewish nor Palestinian, and none of my six regular gigs have anything to do with foreign policy, but the other day I opened Twitter (now called X) after some time offline to find people I don’t know demanding that I make a public statement about what’s happening in the Middle East. It seemed that most of the people on social media had made a statement, including various corporate brands, celebrities and miscellaneous lifestyle influencers. American Eagle’s chief marketing officer posted to LinkedIn that the company had changed its Times Square billboard to an image of the Israeli flag. “Praying for Israel,” Justin Bieber posted on Instagram, over an image (later deleted) of what was actually Gaza.

    But not everyone was taking a side. As I scrolled through my timeline, I saw lots of random citizens being told that if they didn’t speak out, they, too, would have blood on their hands.

    People speaking from both the right and the left seemed to attribute my silence to depraved indifference to human suffering, though they were divided on which humans were suffering. As it happens, I had been dealing with shingles (zero stars, do not recommend) and the depression I struggle with periodically. I was tired and overwhelmed, as are a great many other people. But the voices yelling at me and anyone else who failed to post seemed to believe that not making a statement was itself a statement — and an immoral one, at that.
    ……..
    In an environment where people are led to believe they should post or blurt out simplistic opinions, they will, for fear that others will think they’re not informed enough, they don’t care enough or their moral compass has been demagnetized. But a reactionary social media post tells you nothing about what they really think or know, cheapens the discourse and impedes progress. It’s sloganeering masquerading as moral clarity.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/17/opinion/social-media-israel-palestine.html
     
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    This should be bookmarked. Perma tag this to the top.
     
  3. KingCheetah

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    How can I change the world if I don't spam hot takes on a small basketball BBS sub forum dedicated to politics?
     
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  6. AroundTheWorld

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    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist
    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me
     
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  7. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    First they came for the V-Span fans
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a V-Span fan.
    And in fact, I joined them
    Because I thought it was fun.
    Then they came for the KPJ fans
    And I did not speak out
    Because he obviously had one screw loose.

    And when they come for me...
    Lots of y'all can speak up
    Because we only been talking 'bout DaDakota.
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    You leftists used to like him.

    Until he started speaking up for Jews.

    You prefer that people don't.

    Prefer to look away.

    Prefer to not be reminded of your tacit complicity.

    Prefer to ridicule those who speak up.
     
  9. tinman

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    What about the woke people ?

    They need to get the Vernon Maxwell Portland fan ‘experience’

    they are trying to transgender kids, ruin Star Wars , rainbow color Islam and hate Jews

    it’s really they/them

    they need to be put in the Arkham asylum or get some osembic cause they are lard fat

    @Salvy
    @ROXRAN
     
  10. K9Texan

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    I stand with Israel.

    Genesis 12:3
    I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed
     
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    I figured you preferred this one

    Ezekiel 23:20.

    There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
     
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    How long did it take the regular numb nuts here to post their outrage?
     
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  14. B-Bob

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    I still like Rapaport. Otherwise, n/m and carry on. A choir awaits your short internet video clips for some high-fiving.
     
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  15. AroundTheWorld

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    Looks like painting with a broad brush finally got you to say something of substance.
     
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    Not for long though. :D
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    This piece matches almost exactly what I've basically said the same things as these passages:

    "There’s a facile version of taking a stand on social media that generates righteous back patting but reduces complex issues to a simple yes or no. Taking simplistic stands can also lead to twisting words. Concern for Palestinians is portrayed as support for Hamas or hatred toward Israel or Jews in general. Anger about Hamas’s deadly attacks on Israeli citizens — or any mention of antisemitism — is portrayed as denigrating the dignity of all Palestinian lives. This kind of thinking is deeply unserious and further fuels hostilities, warping nuanced positions into extremism and mistaking tweet-length expressions of outrage for brave action in the face of atrocity."

    "The impulse toward loud, reductive declarations reflects genuine fear about horrors that lie beyond words. Simple binaries imply simple solutions. And it’s much more pleasant to tell yourself you stand on the side of good, against evil, than to question whether the lines of demarcation were drawn correctly.


    Sitting with uncertainty is hard, especially when social media has primed us to expect perfect real-time information during traumatic events and to want instantaneous answers and resolution. Moral certainty is an anchor we cling to when factual certainty is not possible. And the faster we express it, the more certain we appear. The most righteous among us post — and do it immediately."

    And we see right on this page examples of what the author is talking about particularly.
    "This kind of thinking is deeply unserious and further fuels hostilities, warping nuanced positions into extremism and mistaking tweet-length expressions of outrage for brave action in the face of atrocity."
     
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    NY Times is a leftist publication making excuses for leftists and Islamists.

    "Concern for Palestinians is portrayed as support for Hamas or hatred toward Israel or Jews in general."

    Thats because - in many cases - that's exactly what it is.
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    Did you even read the whole piece?

    It also says:
    "I do have opinions, of course, but they don’t fit in a tweet (and would be extremely awkward on TikTok). I think Hamas is a terrorist group and Israel has a right to defend itself. I lived in Manhattan on Sept. 11, and even so, I can’t imagine the grief and terror Jewish people feel right now in the face of continued attacks and rising antisemitism globally. I also think that the Israeli state should not be allowed to conflate Hamas with Gaza or to cut off electricity and access to food and medical supplies to civilians who are trapped in Gaza or to justify those acts by claiming that Palestinians who live there — about half of whom are children — can just leave when they plainly can’t. If the destruction of Gaza is not the goal, it is a very real possibility, and that should be equally unacceptable."
     
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    Humor is prohibited in this forum.

    GUILTY!
     
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