I swear that this board has just turned into one big b**tch an moan session about why people don't like (and think we should get rid of) Rudy T, Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley, and everyone else with the exception of Yao Ming. I'm with HeyP, if you folks don't like what you are seeing, then don't watch, there is no reason to declare it (if you really mean it). Jumpship and become another teams fan. Hey I've never been a big fan of Rudy, but I am at least willing to give him time to get this team together, which means more than half a season or even a whole season for that matter. This teams problem is consistency, and I mean consistency from ALL of the players. What you folks fail to understand is that the two players that seem to be most maligned around here are in fact your two most consistent players. You know what you are going to get from Steve and for the most part Mobley every night, you can't say that for other players on the team, not even Yao. Hell there have been quite a few games that I have seen (since I watch them all, sometimes more than once) that the Rox tried to force feed Yao early in the game and he just could not get anything going. Once this teams starts to execute and trust the plays on a more consistent basis there will be no stopping this team. I for one plan to be one of the folks that stick with them and be able to say I told ya so when they do come around. P.S. - I am beyond sick of the street\ghetto\playground\ymca ball comments mad in reference our players or any other NBA player for that matter. I feel that reference is made to suggest that "certain" players don't have the mental capacity to play organized ball and are only making it on sheer athletic ability. If that was the case, then every guy that has torched you in pick-up\YMCA\League game (those of you that actually play) or been able to jump out of the gym would be in the NBA. It takes alot more than just being tall, or being able to run fast, or dunk a damn ball to make it into the NBA, and it sure as hell takes even more to actually be successful (i.e. Steve Francis).
Dear Raven Lunatic, Have you ever noticed how stratospheric condensation trails linger with decay constants that are almost completely uncorrelated with humidity levels in the lower reaches of the troposphere? This perfectly illustrates the current Rockets offense to those of us in the know, wouldn't you agree? PS -- I am NOT talking to anybody else here. Butt out! (sigh)
HP & O-Dawg, If you don't like what people are saying, then don't read it. Isn't that the equal to the "if you don't like the game, then don't watch?" I mean come on now....you can't have it both ways. Now, I do enjoy going to the games, but it does frustrate me to watch this horrid brand of basketball. However, when I take my 4 year old to the games, it is more about watching him enjoying the spectacle then the games themselves. But the Chicago game was in Chi-town and it plain ole sucked A$$. DD
B-Bob, Sorry I said I wasn't interested in your bball take on this topic, don't take it personally (I know my friend pasox2 won't) ... it just seems more and more required around here to avoid boring, repetitive arguments. Some go on my ignore list, some people I just flat out ask..."was I talking to you" on a topic by topic basis. Maybe if you could imagine a debate in the hangout where you are specifically trying to talk to one or two people and you get peppered with five responses "B-Bob, your take is wrong" then you'd see that one way of dealing with that is to argue with no hope of either side agreeing, ignore it or just say "was I talking to you." Why don't you go discuss firing Rudy with pasox2, feishen, and fegwu like you were doing earlier today? Seriously, you seem bored with this thread more than you are bored with the Rockets.
Hehehe,HP Seriously, what part of my post made you think I was talking to you? I am just expressing a different view from a self-claimed die-hard fan.
O-Dawg, Damn straight. We all talk bball and say what we like and dislike and laugh and some like to whine. But if you are declaring that you don't like the team and can't watch anymore...Why kick the team one last time as you are leaving just to whine one last time to us fans who are still having fun? Also, it means more when it is someone who you've seen enjoy games...and someone who has fun posting here. imo, it is equivalent to R0ckets03, TheFreak, jamcracker, oeilpere, Chance McClain, cato13, Jeff, Clutch the bear, and all my fellow Rocket Fan Council members saying that the can't watch the team anymore. It's sad in a sports kinda was, but please don't kick the team as you jump off the bandwagon. Just leave.
<blockquote><hr>Originally posted by feishen Hehehe,HP Seriously, what part of my post made you think I was talking to you?<hr></blockquote> umm, maybe where you quoted my post and responded to it.
No, I happened to have the same line as you had. Chill, HP. I am always a admirer of your vast Bball knowledge. Sense your frustration. Do you still think Rox can make the play-offs this year? To me, I wasnt frustrated with the losses Rox is having. Be realitic, Rox at best is a first round play-off team, then exit this year. What frustrates me is that they are not playing the right kind bball with Ming is the middle.
feishen, no need to tell me to chill in this thread. I find that is sign of your misunderstanding of my point...as if you are expecting to find frustration everywhere. My frustration only exists regarding the posting on this BBS with the way people are talking about this team. I do not share the bball frustration that people display here. That's not me, seriously. This is the best Rockets we've seen in 4 yrs. I did not expect more. I expect us to improve from here, but it is natural to expect that regarding any team. If we were Dallas fans, the BBS would be screaming about their lame defense after Portland exposed them, yet again. It is not a state of the team, that frustrates people, it is a state of the fan, who gets easily frustrated. That's the difference, imo. I am actually thrilled. They are on schedule in my book. I did not expect miracles to happen. I am in 100% agreement with TheFreak's posts today. btw: you did quote me and respond to it in the first page of this thread. So you did speak to me first.
man I wish I could watch this team on a daily basis. Cant wait till wednesday's national telavised game hope they dont embarass themselves
This is a big point for me too. Part of why I'm griping is I only get little news reports and this BBS most of the time. I think one reason I keep whining (and I've watched maybe 7 games one way or another this year) is that passing is absolutely my favorite part of basketball. It's a personal bias, and I shouldn't get so mad when my fav team doesn't do my fav thing. They've been my fav since I was a little kid watching Rudy play. If I lived through Allen Leveall (sp?), I can live through someone a hundred times more talented bring the ball up I think.
O-Dawg, take off your red, white and blue pin-striped glasses. There are some serious problems that are staring the heart of this team right in the face. You call it consistency. I call it a lack of basketball maturity, trust and decision making(IMO our #1 problem), most notably with our guards. Not all of our players will play consistently night in and night out, but all of our players, especially guys like Francis and Mobley, should play with maturity, trust their teammates(especially when they dominating - Yao in the 4th yesterday) and make smart basketball decisions. HP, I'm disappointed in you man. You should know me better than to take me so literal when I say I can't watch these guys. I go out of my way to catch games. Friday after work I went to Dallas. I made sure to find a bar I could go to in Dallas to catch the end of the Rockets game. Sometimes we all just have to vent. For the record, I did watch tonights game and still saw the things I mentioned in my first post in this thread. We are expectedly better than last year(or the past 4 years), but I wouldn't say we are on schedule. Maybe I expect more because I think we should beat the Bulls, Clippers and Golden States of this years NBA. I know we eventually will win these games, but like I said, I expect alot from a team this talented.
The Pimp is saved!!! Man, you have me shaking my head. Now, as for Sirhangover. What? He just follows you around for the babes, or sumpin? What's his excuse? Sir is just sirly, I guess. lol!!
Yeah the backcourt didnt' know how to win against the World Champion Lakers a few games back. Steve Francis didn't know how to win down the stretch tonight. Come on Rockets Fans we are better than this. Yes there were dumb plays all along the way, and I'm not denying that, but the team has shown they do know how to win, especially Steve Francis who has taken games over to do what needed to be done. The point is don't just look at the games that are ugly and decide that, look at games like the Laker game, or the win against San Antonio, the win against phoenix etc. Let's look at the whole picture and not throw in the towel because of bad skid.
HeyPartner, I find it amusing that you dont get upset with Rox playing bad ball and losing games, but you get upset with others getting upset with Rox suckness. Is there an award for die-hard rox fan, I wanna vote.
rudy made some nice, but long overdue adjustments tonite - Cato w/ Ming, Hawkins was in, Steve drove the middle to setup outside J's all nite, Posey got a few catch-n-shoot J's off screens, MoT got his # called on post-ups. Finally, the stubborn coach looked to shake things up, even if it did take him frickin forever. However.....Yao got basically no touches in the 2nd and no touches in the 4th till about the 4min mark. he rarely went back Mo after his 2nd quarter explosion. Cat still took about 6 ill-advised jumpshots. he ran that BS 3-guard lineup for most of the 4th. It's progress at least....better than the crap we've seen the past few weeks.
<blockquote><hr>Originally posted by feishen HeyPartner, I find it amusing that you dont get upset with Rox playing bad ball and losing games, but you get upset with others getting upset with Rox suckness.<hr></blockquote> I get "upset" (in a sports way) when my game-going friends start whining about the game not being fun anymore. I will remind you that I was only talking to Pimp and Sirhangover in this thread. I could care less what all the people on my Ignore List are saying. That's why they're on my Ignore List. I don't actually believe you know my feelings about this. To understand it fully, you'd probably have watch a game with me.
Well, that depends. Are you objective? Or a homer? That was rhetorical question, by the way. I know DaDakota's posts, well.
Being objective is subjective. I know which one I think I am...but not sure everyone else would agree. DD
