In terms of ppg, sure. In terms of fg % not so much. If I'm not mistaken he barely cracked 40% last year. That's not championship caliber play. To compare him to Hakeem is a travesty. I don't think anybody here is seriously suggesting that they're at all comparable, right?
I DO know about the championship days. And I already explained that when I used the phrase "produced by hakeem", I was referring to the championship team in general because, and this is the third time I've had to say this, there are no championship moments without hakeem. I'm not busting your balls for not making the jump because I was unintentionally vague about what I meant. Lets examine the sentence that you are in arms about: "(that comeback) was one of the greatest moments in Rockets history, if not the greatest" Is this sentence wrong? You agree that its ONE OF the greatest, so my statement is true. "if not the greatest" is not me saying that it is the greatest. It's me admitting I don't know if it is the greatest moment or not, but leaving the possibility open. Its called reading comprehension. And it basically destroys your whole campaign to paint me as a noob that doesn't know what he's talking about because what I said was right. So to answer your question: why am I throwing the words "Rockets history" around when I don't know. The answer? Thats why I said "if not the greatest", because beyond the title years, I don't know. If I had said "this comeback was definitely the greatest moment in Rockets history". Then I would be implying that I know about all the great moments in Rockets history. Which I don't. Again, you massively fail at reading comprehension for not knowing what the phrase "if not the greatest" meant within the context of my quote.
Sure, as a one time thing it's pretty amazing. But lasting significance? I don't think there's any. And if T-Mac retires as a Rocket with no playoff wins that's going to be his legacy. The Spurs game will be a footnote. By comparison consider what Hakeem did. Robinson was an elite center. Shaq is one of the five greatest ever. And Hakeem made them look foolish and he did it consistently over the course of two playoff series.
Don't sweat it dude. All fans are different. Some people don't hold the championships in as high a regard as others doesn't make them less of fans. Some people are more about the "what have you done for me lately" deal. Some people live in the past, and think the mustard and red were awesome. To some it's just the memories tied to those colors. Some remember the past, and hope for a return to glory. Different strokes for different folks. Where you fall is where you fall. I think it's a bit harsh to attack someone b/c their history of the team is shorter than someone else's.
I agree, though I don't think Hakeem made Shaq look foolish. I thought they played each other pretty evenly in that series.
Its not even that. I'm aware of Tinman's crusade against Rockets noobs. Thing is, he completely missed when he chose to attack me for what I said. Maybe I shouldn't have implied that the comeback could've been the best, but I wasn't wrong. I'm standing by what I said and if someone with comprehension skills would like to debate that it wasn't even one of the greatest, I would be glad to. The sad thing is, I agree with him in the extreme case. Its kind of annoying when someone will say something like "Yao/Tmac are the greatest Rockets players ever!" completely ignoring old school players from 10 years ago that were clearly better. And my opinion on that always has been just don't act like you know what you are talking about if you don't. Tinman takes a more extreme view point than I do on it, but thats him.
Hakeem never scored less than 30 points in every game of that series andoutscored Shaq by an average of four points. He outscored Shaq in every game of the series. The Rockets swept Orlando in four games, and in game 4 Hakeem poured in 35 points to Shaq's 25. In addition Hakeem's scoring average for the series was higher than his season average, while Shaq's actually dropped. The popular consensus is that in the head to head match-up Hakeem was the clear winner.
There's no point in implying that it could have been the greatest moment in Rockets history if you don't actually believe that it could be.
I remembered it to be kind of close, but going back and looking at the numbers you're right. Not so because of the PPG -- Hakeem scored more but averaged nearly 9 more shots a game. But I didn't realize how many turnovers Shaq had throughout the series, averaging over 5 per game.
I wonder if those friends of yours that stayed were among the fans that were just intent on booing the team off the floor at the game's conclusion with the team's performance looking so awful up to the point that you left. I'm sure that it was easy for most everyone who attended that game to give up hope on the Rockets winning that game considering how poorly they played up to the point they left. All I could say is that the intent to boo the team off the floor might have been there for most of those who stayed, but T-Mac wouldn't allow it by refusing to allow the Rockets to go down quietly at the end by scoring his last 13 points within those last 35 seconds in leading them to that win that seemed improbable with under a minute to play.
you put Hakeem in the same sentence as Tmac! I'll cut you some slack that you didn't talk about Tmac in Orlando
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I do believe it could be the greatest moment in Rockets history. Or at least I did back then, you guys have made a convincing argument and now I'm on your side. In my defense, I listed the championships as the probable moments to overtake the comeback, even though I vaguely called them moments "produced by Hakeem". I'm glad you cooled down. I respect that. Cause I was ready to go. In terms of singular moments, I think they do deserve to be in the same sentence. Hakeem/other players on championship team just had a lot more moments than Tmac (who really just has the 1).
Dude I weigh playoff moments significantly higher than regular season moments. As far as comebacks, it should have never gone to that point where it takes someone jacking up a whole bunch of shots in the last minute or seconds of a game, if the team had played better. That other poster was right, people forget to see that other side on why the Rockets should have never been in that situation in the first place.
ok, i remember that one. I actually think this one is the better moment cause the stakes were higher. However for his resume of Clutch shots, he's not that high up there. I like this one more <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/OnIy_NhcDFg&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/OnIy_NhcDFg&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
That's also a wrong assumption. Here a few examples: Sampson wins it to send the Rockets to the NBA Finals <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/qea-DBZiGU8&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qea-DBZiGU8&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> You Know Who with a true miracle shot <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/0idEHGQFlP4&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0idEHGQFlP4&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Oh.. Eddie Johnson <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/luBrkc2m9cI&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/luBrkc2m9cI&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Not to spoil your happiness but it wasn't the greatest, there had been a lot more better moments in Rockets history. Personally I like the Olajuwon clutch block in finals, Sampson-Olajuwon in 86' numerous shots in NBA Playoffs and the list goes on. Heck we're called ClutchCity. But of the modern history of Rockets T-Mac killing Spurs is one of my favorite, I remember my cousin calling me and saying that McGrady is the best in the league.
