I am somewhat hesitant about doing the lottery this year because I didn't notify everyone before the year started, but if the majority support the idea, then I would have no problems with it. Do you want it on the rookie draft, common draft, or both? Of course it would just be for the non-playoff picks. P.S.-- The lottery, if we held one, would be like the NBA lottery in the percentages. However, I'm not going to make 1000 sheets of paper for it. I would go with 200 instead, because that's the smallest we could go and give the person with pick 13 a chance. And, to be fair, if anyone wants to join as the Suns or Hornets after the lottery they would just be given the 12th and 13th picks at the end of the lotto-- the order will not be changed. If anyone has time, can you find me a link to a page with the percentages for the draft lottery? Thanks... ------------------ Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
Actually, forget the comment about needing the percentages-- I'm not thinking well today for some reason. All I need to do is assign the 1 team (right now Nuggets or Warriors) the same value as the team with the worst record in the real NBA this year (Bulls I think), and use Clutch's lottery generator to get the results. So if the Bulls got the number one pick on Clutch's generator, it would go to the Nuggets or Warriors, whichever had a worse record. Don't know why I didn't think of this earlier... ------------------ Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! [This message has been edited by The Cat (edited June 11, 2001).]
Cat, you could use Clutch's lottery generator if it's legit. But I wouldn't vote because you already have a built in vote. Everyone but the top teams would want it. The lower teams need some representation. I think you just need to decide on your own. ------------------ humble, but hungry.
PSJ, I will admit I am leaning slightly toward it, because of Rimmy, who has a top 3 pick this year, not being opposed to it. I know Franchise's stance as well being against it. However, even though it should have been a factor in consideration, I feel like I should do something for all the GMs who made trades for high picks to find out later they weren't as high as they originally assumed. Thoughts from anyone else? Some unbiased opinions from playoff teams who this doesn't affect would be nice... ------------------ Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
I will try to be unbiased. (I have Sonics pick currently in the lottery for rookies, and grizzlies curretnly in the lottery for common). I have not had anything against mine picks being pushed down over new GMs joining - in fact I have cheered for every new GM we have because I believe that a full league will be such a bonus that I do not worry about the picks. I also believe that the only one that complain abbout new GMs joining because their picks slipping is Raven, BGM and me as we were the only one who had traded up picks when this issue came up. Any trades after that should have taken this into account when they traded. I know BGM as a GM that will adjust to any new rules and its not like he has to cry for his pick slipping, all he gave up was Larry Hughes. (Yeah branded he won that trade big time) Raven on the other hand also traded away his pick (to me ) so all he did was move up in the draft - he still moves up, and I aslo think being a veteran seeing this league grow all the time he knew the risk of the picks slipping, so I cant really see the big fuzz about new GMs joining. I know all the other wants to keep their high pick and cry everytime a new GM joins so their pick falls, but they have not traded for the picks so I don't see the big problem there. As for the lottery - I'm against it for the reason stated over, I can't see the big issue for BGM, Raven and me dropping in the drafts, and with the risk of the real bad teams falling 3 places in a high pick they need to even up the odds they were given... I dont think they deserve that. Of course I'm not totally against a lottery - I do see that it can only benefit me - so if you want to bring it on do so. But please give out the info as soon as possible - I have a trade in the making that could depend on it. One thing though - if we do the lottery you should cancel out yesterdays pick only trade if either warriors or heat wants it, because I think that trade was based on not having a lottery. ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Board/Homepage
One more thing - if you see someone tanking to get the top pick - then maybe we do need a lottery. So please all you bottom feeders - do not tank - you will be hit with a lottery before you know it. ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Board/Homepage
Heath, Two teams I know have already talked to me about tanking, and inevitably it will occur. I do agree that it hurts those teams at the top, but it also isn't fair to the teams who traded for picks they thought were high. I'm split on the lottery issue right now, which is why I'd like some more opinions. I like the lottery idea for the future if not now, but my concern is will some of the bottom teams quit if we do a lottery? Perhaps a better solution would be to have a lottery in the rookie draft, but to go by record in the common draft. That way the people who wanted a lottery would get a lottery, and the bottom teams would still get a top pick guaranteed in the common. ------------------ Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
imo, there shouldn't be a lotto this year. The GMs who just joined need those high picks. So other GMs have to be bumped down a spot or 2, big deal. There should be a lotto next year to deter tanking though. BTW if the league does fill up, I think we should run a couple of seasons or so and then maybe do a massive draft. ------------------ .,.·^*'´'|'\..........,.·^*'´¯¯¯'`*^·,...,/|'`*^·-, '|.......'|::\......,·'.....,.·:*:·,......'`i:'|.......| '|.......'|:::|.....;.......':,:::,:·.......';:|.......| '|.......|::;i - ·;i'`:,......¯¯.......,·´|::|.......| '|.......'´.......'|'i:::`*:~·.–·~^*'´: :'|::|.......'`*·-, '|........,.-:^:':'\:'`:;:: :: : : : :: ::;·'i::/`':^·.,......`'i '|..,.:'´:::::::::::'\| '`*^~·:–:·~^*'´..'|/:::::::::'`:^:., | '´:;:::::::::;:-·^*'´.....................`'*^·:;-.....:;·' ....`·;:·'´........................................'`^·:;·´
Someone told me that you thought about just moving over to NBA Live 2002 with the rosters we had traded for and continue the build there. Thats one intrigueing idea. I like it. But maybe when we have played a year - with whatever # of season that account to we should start over with the rosters of the teams we have? But I'm #1 in being against a big massive draft - I totally despise the idea. ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Board/Homepage
i dont like the massive draft idea but i think if we switch to NBA Live 2002 and after 2 or 3 seasons there we finish and everyone has to pick a new team to GM.. we can keep an overall record of all the teams in all the seasons and they get first pick on what team they want to be this sounds alot better we stop and pick new teams im with heath on the massive draft ------------------ ***FRANCHISE***
It's going to be a while before we stop and pick new teams. I didn't get in this to make everyone start over after a couple of seasons. A lot of people have been trading for younger players based on the premise that the league will be like a franchise and go on for multiple seasons (more than 2 more). That was my intention and we will continue to do so-- I am strongly for keeping the league we have going for a good while. It's going good, and while it's unfortunate that some of the GM's who joined late don't have the advantages that we do, I'm not going to scrap all of the work everyone has done for the last two seasons for the sake of a couple of people who came in late. Just keep competing-- you'll get there, trust me... ------------------ Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
Yeah keep playing for atleast a full year - thats my opionion. I could even want to keep this league running into double digit seasons before a change, but I do not want to think that far ahead yet. ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Board/Homepage
I personally have no problem with the new GMs. I complain about my pick dropping, but it is just me joking around, and the new GMs, with their high picks, represent that much more trade talk and activity, which is what I love so much about this league (trade activity). But really, the only people who could potentially get screwed if we do a lottery is the top 3 teams. Everyone below will either get a top 3 pick, or a the pick their record would give them, so I think that JDZAU, Franchise, and rambo should be the main deciders about the lottery this season... but I definetely like the lottery for next year. Here's to hoping for a full league starting out season 3! ------------------ CC.NET Sim League Web Page My Team (Sonics) Runnin', Ravin', Endin', Out.
Agreed. No restarting the draft, no lottery. If someone tanks...they tank. Big deal. I do have a question though...I have to give up two players for the common draft. Do they have to be current starters? Or just starters at anytime during the season? We're gonna win it all year two. I'm gonna finish the job Krause started. ------------------
GB, They dont necessarily have to be two current starters-- although that is the intention. If you have someone on your bench who started for a large portion of the season and had to be displaced due to a trade, then they are eligible for the draft. (unless they started like 5 games or something) I would like for those in the top 3 of the draft to give me their opinion on the lottery issue though. There are 3 options as I see it. A. No lottery at all this season; start for common draft next season B. Lottery in both drafts starting this season C. Lottery in this season's rookie draft, but not the common draft I do plan on doing lotteries for non-playoff teams after these drafts... it's these draft's now that are what's hard to decide on, and it's why I would like some input from the top 3 GMs. I would prefer to give these teams their top picks, as they need the players more than we do. However, if there are some who feel they are getting screwed out of the picks they traded for, perhaps a compromise such as a lottery for just the rookie draft needs to be reached. Again, let me know, and I'll tell everyone the full decision tomorrow. ------------------ Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
From the web page draft info - this should explain it pretty good. ROOKIE DRAFT/ORDINARY DRAFT It will be held two drafts heading into the third season of The CluthCity NBA Sim. First up is a rookie draft consisting of players in the upcoming NBA draft in June. We will hold our rookie draft around the same time as the real thing and the draft order will be decided by the record in the sim league at that time. We'd hoped we be finished simming the 2nd regular season by then but going by the record after 60-70 games would not make a big difference if we've not got more games done by then. The other draft is the ordinary (also called common or regular) draft that consists of 2 players submitted from each team to the draft pool. The draft will be held after the 2nd seasons champion is crowned, and the order will be based on the regular season record, although "lottery" teams will draft ahead of playoff teams. There will not be held a lottery to decide the order for the "lottery" teams - it will follow the records strating with the worst team and so on. Each team will submit 2 starters to the ordinary draft. As teams lineup change during the regular season, more than 5 players can be qualified as starters, but the decision of who is eligable for the draft rest on the commissioners (The Cat) shoulder. The two players submitted has to have started for a greater number of games, and they will also have to have started some of those games together. As an example: If two players have been fighting for a starting spot, and both of them qualify for being submitted to the draft, you still can not send both of them as they have not been starting together. "Tanking" is not allowed, you can not start a player to give him up over another - The competition for the starting job has to have been real, the players stats should be close. ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Board/Homepage
Also, if anyone wants to get in the chat around 2 today, go ahead and meet me there. I don't know what we can do, but there's so little to do at work today that I could use some way to pass the time right now. ------------------ Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
Here's my take Cat. There should not be a lottery this year because there have been too many teams that have traded up and down to get into a certain position for the draft. Namely, me. I understand that most likely ill move down only one spot, if I move down at all, but still it is unfair to teams which traded two good picks to get one top pick, then still not have the position they wanted i.e. the new GMs trade last night. As far as the massive draft goes, I'm against it now. I think a better approach is to get rid of the common draft. There are two ways to get rid of the common draft, IMO. One is to have a common draft until all teams are equal then get rid of it. Two is to have a rookie draft every year. I think that two is best. I know you want to keep the league as real as possible, but the speed of the seasons, IMO, won't allow that to be done. Fictional players at some point will need to be added. Besides, if we play more than one season in a basketball calendar year, then, in a few seasons, the players in real life wont play the same as the sim players anyway. Well, that's my two cents. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
