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I am done with Tracy.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by The Joker, Dec 23, 2008.

  1. Houston22

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    I am kind of disappointed on TMac, too. Always been his supporter, hated all trade suggestions, but was pissed at him last night. I mean.. just try to look like your trying man! Or don't play - I won't mind that. But damn it.. walking around like we're leading by 40? Goddamnit, Tmac..
     
  2. Jeff Who

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    Well in my opinion, he shouldn't have played. But I understand it was tough for him and Shane to play in that game, because of fatigue.

    But still, at least try.
     
  3. Rocket River

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    Wasn't that why he left Toronto?
    Didn't MJames see the door for 'waving him off'?

    Rocket River
    *grin*
     
  4. Rocket River

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    T-mac is the NBA equivalent of Peyton Manning
    Beautiful numbers. . but a major Chokers
    Peyton got his Superbowl ring cause those around him stepped up BIG TIME
    [Peyton did NOT have a great superbowl . .. even though he got MVP]
    Hell Tennesee won with T "where the heck are you now' Martin but
    could not with Peyton

    I like Peyton . . I'm a big Fan
    but
    when it is time to step up . . he kind of wilts

    In order for T-Mac to rise out of this. . . it is really going to be on everyone else.

    Rocket River
     
  5. thunder03

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    the difference between superstar and great player is heart, fire, and gut, and always gives 100% or more. That's the difference between Lebron and Camelo, between Kobe and sheMac. sheMac is not a superstar, he has never passed the 1st round, he does not have the heart and give up his team from time to time. If he gets the pay and treatment as great player, then we will not be that harsh on him, but he is getting pay and treatment as superstars, which is not right.
     
  6. bj3175

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    T-mac can use the excuse about his knee all he wants but this is ridiculous. He had an easy matchup and he just laid down on the fans and the organization last night. What he did was very disrespectful to the game and his teammates. All he had to do was score at least 13 to 14 points against a 6ft 4in guard and he could not even do it. Look T-mac is an incredible talent but do want a winner or a pretender?

    He has got to go
     
  7. Doc Rocket

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    The three weeks were his Christmas/ Holiday break! TWACEY get mad when TWACEY work during holiday. Twacey take off work on holidays.

    Injured or not, the dude slows down the ball, walks it up, SSSLLLOOOWWWSSS it down more and totally destroys any movement on offense. He's a weak player - it is what it is. He'll have some good games but he's just not that dude anymore. He's had a good career.

    But if he ever calls the Rockets "My Guys" again, I'll puke!
     
  8. Rocket River

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    The slowness thing has been happening a while
    His cuts to the basket. . . his half*ssed fast breaks
    He gets the ball on the inbound. . . he will walk it up
    no hustle

    People say well . . it is his demeanor/sleepy eyes that make it seem
    like he not hustling
    but
    the reality is. .. HE NOT HUSTLING

    I understand conserving energy but . .. . .

    Rocket River
    I am still holding back .. cause the regular season is meaningless to me now
    but
    this does not bode well for the playoffs
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Love,

    He had arthoscopic surgery in May to remove loose particles, nothing structurally wrong with his knee at all.

    However, you have to work it out to strengthen the quad muscles around it to get strength back, even after something as minor as arthoscopic surgery.

    TMac did not do this, sat out the preseason, and then was a little out of shape to start the season and his knee did not respond to a "Flip the switch" mentality.

    Well, DUH !!! You have to do the rehab.....

    Then all the doctors told him he needed to play to work through the pain, and he decided to sit.....then went for a 2nd opinion.....which confirmed what the doctors have been telling him...he needs to work through it by playing.

    Then decided to take 3 weeks off to rehab, something he should have done in July and August....sort of like Brandon Roy did when he had this same surgery IN AUGUST.....

    Something is not right with TMac, whether it is his knee or his attitude, when he scores or things go right early he plays well, but he has been backing down from a challenge far too often this year.....and that is alarming.

    He quit once in Orlando, I hope he is not starting the same process here in Houston.

    DD
     
  10. bj3175

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    It is time that Les Morey and Adelman start calling out T-mac's Commitment to the team. It just isn't right that Battier Rtest rafer scola show up and play their hearts out on both ends while T-mac who only plays on one end of th ecourt says he's sore. They are to soft on this guy. I like Tracy but he does not want to win bad enough for us to do the damage that our talent demands. Remember when T-mac came here he said something big is going to happen here.
     
  11. tested911

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    Why how you guys forget the playoffs vs the Lakers... Let me give you a clue..

    1 on 1 from the 3pt line. Derek (OLD MAN) Fisher vs Stacy (Injured/No Heart) Mcgrady.. The man tried several times to drive by Fisher only to have Fisher stop him.. Jesus I'm talking about Derek Fisher who was what 31 or 32 when he played D on Tracy at that time was 27 or 28.. Tracy made Derek Fisher look like he should of been on the all defensive team.

    I'm not really mad with Tracy because he is who he is. You can't change that for example, Yao cannot jump more than 1 foot off the ground and he has 0 athleticism but at least Yao tries every single night. Tracy on the other hand is our highest paid player on the team and that is what drives me crazy..
     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I don't think Tmac would respond well to this, in the age of guaranteed contracts he holds all the cards.

    Someone needs to get in his ear and motivate him, get him to care more often...to realize that this team has a legitimate chance but only if he is on board for the ride.

    DD
     
  13. JeopardE

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    You know what irritates me to no end? Self-righteous fans. "All he had to do was score at least 13 to 14 points against a 6ft 4in guard". It is like you people think that NBA players are alien lifeforms who have a limitless supply of strength and energy. T-Mac isn't a 19 year old anymore. He has played in this league for more than 11 years. You can give it your all when you actually have something to give. But when your body gives out on you, what are you going to do? Invoke a magic incantation? If you want to blame Tracy McGrady because he no longer has the youthfulness and athleticism he had five years ago, that's one thing. But this whole "he should've tried harder" thing just does not fly in the face of logic, and it smacks of hypocrisy.

    Now this is just you living in the past. Rockets fans are going to have to come to terms with the fact that:
    1. McGrady is no longer the "incredible talent" he was five years ago, even though he is still an incredible talent;
    2. McGrady is having to evolve his playing style as a result of this (see: modified shooting form, improved free throws, lower usage rate, increased discretion with shot selection).
    3. McGrady is *still* recovering from an injury, and is nowhere close to 100% yet. If there are any who can still remember what was said three weeks ago, they'll recall that he is playing his way back into shape to build strength in the knee.

    You are all going to have to modify your expectations of McGrady. He likely may never be as dominant as he used to be, but that's not even the issue -- when he does finally get healthy, he will be good enough. Until then, expectations are tempered. Expecting McGrady to somehow find a way to be aggressive and take over a game while trying to recover from knee surgery on the 4th game in five nights is NOT reasonable. This is why the team has acquired so much depth -- so that it would not have to rely solely on McGrady in health-challenged situations. A $20 million dollar salary does not make him superman, and too many people are in willful denial about this simply because they want a scapegoat.

    You know what pisses me off? There are far more people trying to bash McGrady than those who are criticizing the referees, who were clearly a bigger reason for last night's outcome and much more deserving of scapegoating and unabashed outrage.
     
  14. Nice Rollin

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    yes, they're fans...being critical towards your team or a player doesnt make you fan? where you from?

    The biggest thing to me is why the hell is he playing if he's hurting? he's slow on defense...doing nothing on offense. so why is he playing?
     
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    T-Mac is high maintenance, that's the last thing they want to do.
     
  16. JeopardE

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    Three weeks ago he was being blamed for this very same thing. You can't have it both ways, but it doesn't matter because you're on the bandwagon of BBS anti-McGrady hysteria and can't be bothered to think.

    And it probably does not matter to you, but his inability to get it going was exactly why he asked to be taken out in the 3rd quarter.

    Sports athletes are human beings. They may be more gifted than you and I, but they are still HUMAN BEINGS.
     
  17. Precision340

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    yeah that was frustrating to watch...
     
  18. tim562

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    Nice recap, have to agree with you DD.
     
  19. The Joker

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    Completely agree with DD's post. And to his body breaking down and not being able to give the same energy, no one is asking for 25 ppg, or even close to that. All the fans want to see (real fans atleast) is a player give all out effort on the court. Every other player on this team gives 100% almost all the time! It just seems with each passing year, each passing game, TMac cares less and less. If that is the case, then Houston needs to move on.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    The play where he stole it and had a clear path but passed it backwards and quit running settling for a midrange jumper was a WTF moment for me.

    That had nothing to do with "lift" and everything to do with "Want to"

    DD
     

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