i noticed that in alot of passes from Tracy in the Cleveland game, the recipient couldn't hold on to the laser beams that Mac was throwing their way. I'm curious, if Tracy gets 10 assists in that game, would opinions of him be different?
Well, thanks, you just reminded me that I should ignore your post , because they are really brainless.
nope. b/c his body language sucks. but you make a great point. when tracy can't score, he does make an effort to get his assists up so he can have some type of impact in the game. but we just played bad all around. ultimately, tracy's gotta play better. games like this should tell him he's still far away from where he should be.
and that tells you his honesty. if he's dogging it, he will tell you. if he's gonna quit on us, he will tell you.
perhaps. he didn't really say he quit on the team until after the season is over. he is a mental case, thats for sure. Fans who try to figure him out are asking for a headache.
if tracy wanted to quit on us, he can easily sit out right now and prove his point. or still sit out when artest went out for a few games. if he did that, then you know he has zero interest. but tiem and time again, he has come back earlier just so he can help the team. so there's no reason to doubt how much he values this team.
MORE TRACY FOR MEEEEEEEE You can't have him back when you come crawling back b****es. I'm serious. It's over.
agreed, but t-mac and quitting is talked about in different contexts on this board. - tmac quitting on orlando when he gave up on the entire season - tmac giving up on specific plays during the regular season the latter is my main concern with t-mac and what angers many on this board. there are very clear instances when he has done this. When he starts to sense the urgency and the playoffs approach, i think the chances of this quitting on plays becomes more and more unlikely.
1) tracy gave up on orlando when he and weisbrod had different views (which is when he started sitting out). he didn't give up the entire season. 2) giving up specific plays? or just nitpicking? we can do that with every player and i can guarantee you i can point out at least 3-4 players for EVERY PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE where they "give up" on that play (e.g. not diving for a loose ball, or standing still on a rebounding attempt...)
fair enough on 1.. 2) not nitpicking. fans wouldn't get mad for not diving or even standing still. I am talking about just flat out giving up on a play.
Don't worry, McGrady will average 30 points per game these next 2 games and you guys will still find a way criticizing the dude...
I wish i had the clip to show you about the one I am thinking about but R2K did capture it in his highlights. 12/10/2007 against the sixers. Alot of members see it. The way I recall it is a a misscomunication between rafer and t-mac, the ball gets ripped, and instead of t-mac running back or even taking a step to see if he could get back on transition, he stands stills and just looks at rafer in disgust. he takes himself out of the game at that point because he tweaked his ankle previously in the first half. He was still running and blocking shots after this tweak though. Several people said the entire team quit that day, but it was a pretty clear sign that t-mac wasn't going to take any more part in that game. I never saw t-mac do that again the rest of the season, but it was disturbing. here is a one of those knee-jerk threads that was created at the time: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=139117 also see clutch's account in the same thread of how he has seen t-mac quit in person http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3308876&postcount=79
I am not posting this to convince to t-mac is a quitter, far from it. I just trying to show you why or how the perception of t-mac has evolved, whether warranted or not. I agree with you that t-mac will be playing some solid ball this season and the board's attitude will be completely different and a lot of people saying I told you so.
are you serious with that example on not running back at all on a steal? have you watch kobe bryant? when he gets stripped, he doesn't even bother to run back and then proceeds to yell at the refs. watch the youtube clip when baron davis stripped him earlier this yr. he just stood there and proceeded to stare at the refs and argued. <object width="480" height="295"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/rRWB3hn7pgA&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/rRWB3hn7pgA&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="295"></embed></object> every star does that most of the time. so it's not just tracy. once again, nitpicking. so you wanna come up with another one?
I don't understand why fans were mad about that game. The Rockets were getting blown out and Tmac tweaked his ankles. Any coach would of taken their star player out of the game unless it was close/important one.
i could come up with some additional ones but your mind is already set. If you think an all of the posters on the bbs are out to critisize t-macc for no reason then you are just being defensive and not think about how it got this way. You are missing the point about the play. Its right after this play, that he decides to take himself out of the game, not the coach. but whatever, this discussion is going in circles.
