I agree with everything you said.....but Battier falls ALOT, too much in my opinion, often times with literally no contact.
Is it an indicator that they are the undisputed best? Nope. Are they a good indicator they play at a very high level that year? Yep.
Superstar, then explain why in the world, if you subtract the so called great defender Camby... The Nuggets are this year a better defensive team?
Someone saying that because T-Mac had 6 assists, so he did better/put more effort than Battier in that game. SO I asked about drawing charging fouls. Got the logic? Just one category of stats doesn't means much effort at all. Flopper? I hope next time when someone run full speed at you and you try to draw charging foul, you do everything you can not to fall and take all the power of collision. There is a huge difference when you fall when trying to draw charing foul on someone driving full speed vs. when you try to fall when you are defending someone who is backing down step by step. In the former case, you need to absorb the collision from the speed and falling down is needed to apsorb the collision. The latter case? 99% of the time it is a flop. Use your brain, man.
Landlord, I personally can't remember one time Battier has fallen on no contact, but if he has then yes that's obviously a flop. But you gotta agree that he isn't one of the worst floppers in the league *assuming he even is one*
I don't know because I don't watch the Nuggets. Maybe it has to do with trading Iverson for Billups. Defense takes a team effort and pretty much and most of the Nuggets players are offensive minded only.
That can't be... Iverson steals 2.2 Billups 1.0 ??? according to the stats Iverson is the better defender? See my point, stats lie especially on the defensive end.
According to NBA.com It's Billups 1.4 vs Iverson 1.6 Not as much of a disparity as you put it. I'm not saying stats aren't flawless but they are the best indicator of defense. When people defend Yao they use stats same with every other player.
never said he was one of the worst, no way I'll say that, I'm pretty sure thats Varajoe(sp?) after that oscar winning performance the other night. I'm just saying that Battier oversells contact ALOT by hitting the hardwood, and I think he does it a lil too much. but hey it's my .02, and I will also be the first to admit he's takin some huge charges in clutch situations, I like Battier, I like him alot...but the *flops* are annoying at times.
career stats is what i was using. When discussing defense stats is one of the worst things to use. Camby has a lot of blocks because he takes a lot of gambles. Of those times he jumps for the block, how many times does the opponent get a layup due to a pumpfake or a dish off? Watch the Nuggets last year, or Camby's career in general, and you would know his on ball defense is terrible, vastly overrated.
I will, by adding you to my ignore list, you obviously do not know what you are talking about and really aren't bringing anything solid to the argument..... but Merry Xmas.
c'mon man, if you follow basketball long enough you should know this. the reason their defense sucks last yr was b/c of the short backcourt on the perimeter (iverson and carter). that makes it easier to drive by them, shoot over them, and put pressure on the defense. this year, they have chauncey and jones, 2 taller guards. camby is a good team defender (not individual). he would fit perfectly with this team defensively.
Welp Joker I can't debate with you on Camby because I don't watch the Nuggets consistently nor do I plan to watch the Clippers. My point was that Tmac did play hard in Orlando. You don't have scoring titles without playing hard. You questioned his defense but he put up some good numbers in that department as well. He's asked to be the main scorer and that was his role on the Magics. You wouldn't say Battier's doesn't play hard just because his offense isn't that good because his role was is to be a defensive stopper.
Tracy McGrady is in love with the persona of TMac, when he falls in love with winning, wake me up. DD
just stop. tracy is god. he got all this talent without trying hard one single bit. he beat out the kobes to win scoring titles without trying hard one single bit. he gets triple doubles without trying hard one single bit. but when he has a bad game, for sure he isn't trying hard. nothing to do with the 4th game in 5 nights like shane battier also said (how they both can barely walked when they got off the plane). if tracy has a bad game, he just doesn't put it any effort and heart and passion. it's not a bad game or anything. just no heart, passion, and effort. same things we hear about EVERYTIME they want to criticize tracy. the logic of a bad game just doesn't apply. esp. to tracy. there's a REASON the commentators of the OTHER TEAMS say the same thing i'm saying. some nights, he looks bad PHYSICALLY. and the 2 tiems i hear the commentators say that so far since he has returned are v. clips, wolves, and cavs (AND ALL ARE BACK-TO-BACKS). yes, he is moving better now. but the strength has to be built back GRADUALLY. the schedule in terms of games played has been pretty brutal.
It's not one game that people here complain about. It's TMac constant lack of effort since he's been a Rocket and even before that. Tracy admitted he quit on his team in Orlando. No one can deny that. As far as Battier not playing offense? He does what is asked of him on the offensive end, but offense is different then defense. Not everyone has the physical tools to be a great scorer, but anyone with heart and willingness to work hard can play defense.
He admitted to doing that only on his last season of a Magics team that was 21-61. Heck Garnett got called out about his effort when he was on a bad Timberwolves team and look at him now when you surround with a great team. but offense is different then defense. Not everyone has the physical tools to be a great scorer, but anyone with heart and willingness to work hard can play defense. This is stupid. Offense and defense is the same.
Everybody always says Tmac game rises in the playoffs and that's true. When it's winning time he's nowhere to be found. That's the difference in why he hasn't gotten out of the first round. He surely had his chances. The game is not won in the first 3 quarters, it is won in the 4th when the buzzer sounds at the end of game. You hear that Tmac? Apparently you don't.
