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I am done with Tracy.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by The Joker, Dec 23, 2008.

  1. Jeff Who

    Jeff Who Member

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    I understand what you are talking about. Tracy didn't hustle and didn't even try to be agressive. That's on his part.

    But when you play 4 games in 5 night and you go from one city to another it is pretty tough to stay fresh especially when you are still comming back from a injury.
     
  2. The Joker

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    Keep using the 4th game in 5 nights, if that is the reason then TMac needed to sit out. The entire first half he was in the game he was hurting the Rockets. And for the people continuing to say this is a knee jerk reaction to one game from McGrady.... Not trying hard has been a reputation for Tracy since his Orlando days. No championships are not won in the regular season, but I can guareentee that if we were the 2 or 3 seed the last couple years, maybe the 2cd round wouldn't of felt so far away.
     
  3. SuperStar

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    You don't win scoring titles without trying hard.
     
  4. tresimecgredi

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    My personal opinon...I think if a player is not doing what he has to do, the coach must call him out. I play soccer and even if I'm not playing well or I'm tired or other, I surely don't want to go out of the game, so the coach can take me out. I think if Adelman don't think Tracy is doing good, he can normally take him out. We were playing the Cavaliers at their home on the 4th game in 5 days, we are 19-10, if he didn't take Tracy out before, maybe the coach wanted to play him a little like docs said.

    GO ROCKETS!!
     
  5. sab504

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    Yeah, when he was with orlando. Apparently he is not the same tmac ever since he came to the rockets, so why compare the two? Are you blind?
     
  6. SuperStar

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    I was quoting the guy who said that about his Orlando days and you just agreed with me.
     
  7. The Joker

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    actually, winning scoring titles doesn't mean your giving 100 percent effort. Heard of defense? something Tracy is amazing at whenever he trys.... which is every once in a while
     
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    there are several other blatant examples where it wasn't the 4th games and 5 nights.

    fans are pissed becauase its not just one game, there is a history.
     
  9. sw847

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    I totally admit that 4 games in 5 days is damn difficult, even for the best of athlets. But the problem is that the rest of the team went through 4 games as well. I know about his injuries and feel that he should rest if there is severe pain, but when I was watching the game, he just doesn't try. I got no problem with players trying and failing, but he did not try.

    I remember there was this one play last game where rafer wanted to give the ball to Tmac, but instead of fighting for position or trying to get free, he went to set a pick for rafer which did not end well, wasting time of the clock. I love Tmac, but his lack of drive on the court is really frustrating...you can be hurt and still play your heart out (artest), but with Tmac, I just don't feel the is trying...
     
  10. SuperStar

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    Tmac

    00-01 ORL rebs 7.5 steals 1.5 1.5 blks
    01-02 ORL rebs 7.9 steals 1.6 1 blks
    02-03 ORL rebs 6.5 steals 1.6 .8 blks
    03-04 ORL rebs 6 1.4 steals .6 blks


    Kobe this year

    5.4 rebounds 1.4 steals .4 blks
     
  11. BucMan55

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    Thing is, if you want to argue whether or not T-Mac should have played against Cleveland thats fine. He was CLEARLY not all there. For the record, I feel that he was a good decoy in the 1st quarter, as the Cavalier defense was hellbent on containing him. But as the game wore on, and the Cavs realized that he was extremely ineffective, he became a liability.


    He also looked pretty dejected when he returned to the bench after a couple minutes of play in the 4th. Like no matter how much he wanted to go, his body wasnt responding. Its all about your preconception: I dont have any ill will towards McGrady so I saw the fast break snafu as his body not cooperating with him. But I understand why folks who think he is lazy feel the play was more laziness.
     
  12. Supa Scoopa

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    I noticed that too, and it something similar happened at least twice since he came back from that time off. In the last game vs the Nets, there was a play where T-Mac was walking the ball up the court when someone stole the ball at around halfcourt and went the other way for a score. Then there was another time about 2 or 3 games prior where a bad pass to Tracy was intercepted and taken the other way. What did T-Mac do both times? Nothing. Unless you count a little jog as something. He probably wouldn't have been able to stop any three of those guys from scoring, but I'd like to see a little effort. At least do a fast jog to make it look like you care.

    I'm not totally done with T-Mac, but things like that make me so frustrated with him. If the Rockets are going to invest so much, financially and the offense, on him, I'd expect him to give more of an effort. If he can't, he should just sit out.

    According to Blinebury, T-Mac has always been a major drama queen. During one of his live game blogs when someone asked about all the drama surrounding T-Mac, he said you should just look at the archives of Orlando newspapers and you'll see that T-Mac has always been T-Mac. Wherever he goes, drama follows.
     
  13. The Joker

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    stats dont reflect defense. Camby always has high block stats, does that mean he's a good defender? NO this board knows how terrible Camby is at on ball defense. Same with AI, high steals stats, average defender. Tracy's on ball defense is one of the best in the league..... when he wants to play defense, which is not more then a quarter a game during the playoffs.
     
  14. SuperStar

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    That's the dumbest thing I've heard. Although stats doesn't tell the whole story, stats is the best indicator of playing defense. Man, just give it up with your weak argument. Marcus Camby won defensive player of the year.
     
  15. The Joker

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    i hope your joking?.... Battier never has great stats, but as someone who watches the Rockets, I hope you realize he is one of if not the best perimeter defender in the league. Both on ball and help side. Camby plays great help side defense... But his on ball defense is absolutely atrocious! Ask Nugget4, he'll tell you the same thing.
     
  16. SuperStar

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    sigh so using your logic that Tmac doesn't play hard in Orlando because he did'nt play defense, Does Battier not scoring well mean he doesn't play hard?
     
  17. deeperblue

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    Battier's effort was there when he was playing. T-Mac's effort? You only see his laziness. T-Mac is paid $20M and Battier is a role player. Compare their stats and saing T-Mac was performing batter?

    Well, I will also say Battier also drew several charging fouls, and T-Mac drew no charging fouls. What does that mean?


     
  18. Landlord Landry

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    ORLY? Battier also drew several blocking fouls......so what that means is.....MOOT POINT.

    I like Battier's hustle and tenacity, but dude, be honest with yourself, Battier is a flopper, and so is Scola, and it is somewhat annoying at times.
     
  19. The Joker

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    Battier is not a flopper.... Taking a charge, it is taught you fall on contact for several reasons, main one being to avoid injury to yourself and to the opponent. Scola does flop at times, that I agree with. But calling Battier a flopper is a joke. Flopping imo, is when you exaggerate contact that does not effect you, the defender, at all. Drawing a charge, from the time your 7 years old, is taught by falling and making a yelping sound to draw the attention of the refs.
     
  20. Landlord Landry

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    lol........Marcus Camby won DPOY then got dumped by his own team.

    but hey, VY won offensive rookie of the year.....David Robinson won MVP one year he shouldn't have, Steve Nash won a couple MVP's when Kobe should have won.....so yea, those awards are always a bonifide indicator...... :rolleyes:
     

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