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I am done with Tracy.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by The Joker, Dec 23, 2008.

  1. kaocsaephan

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    Don't make the same mistake the Sacramento Kings did with Webber. While he was out with injury, the team clicked and was playing some great basketball. Some pointed fingers at C-Webb when he returned and they just weren't playing as good. His injury slowed him down, true, but him being on the bench/roster was a confidence booster alone. It was just really different and without him, they later exited first round vs Seattle Supersonics, nuff said.

    I think Tracy is very valuable to this team, but that's not to say he is 100% unavailable for a trade, as long as we get something in return. I can't say much for Kings and their webber deal.
     
  2. agentkirb87

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    The problem with trades is we aren't going to get something in return. Its just not going to happen. At best we might be able to swing something like a Jason Richardson or Corey Maggette type deal.

    So why b**** about what Tmac is or isn't doing when he isn't going to be traded? Thats the million dollar question.
     
  3. SuperStar

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    Because people got to let out some steam after a loss and Tmac is an easy scapegoat. Also some may do it because Yao gets some bashing (although more civilize) when he has bad games.
     
  4. deeperblue

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    T-Mac said he needed 3 weeks off to rehab. Well he came back in about a week to 10 days. But look at his face, which looks quite fatter than the time before he took it off. So that is a sign of hard work, hard rehab.

    And more importantly, I mentioned in my previous post:
    "Loosers always find excuse for themselves. True competitors always want to compete, and when they didn't do well (even if it is indeed due to injury), they will say: "I didn't do well this time, I will play harder next time and I will come back". Even super super stars will have off games."

    That's why I think he is a looser, never dare to take responsibility when there is a loss, never blame himself when there is a loss. A loser is a loser.

    Trading value wise, he is just a chicken rib now.


     
  5. agentkirb87

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    It gets us no where, and its depressing to read. I'm fine with being realistic and pointing it out... but constantly rehashing it is going to drive me to drink.

    And it would be one thing if our team basically went out there and didn't give a ****. But we played a good hard game. Just... it was on the road in a 4 games in 5 nights situation against a title contender.
     
  6. agentkirb87

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    I guess I imagined him saying "Its on me" against the Jazz in the playoffs.

    And again, lets say for the sake of the argument you are right. What can you do? We aren't trading him this season.
     
  7. TheGreat

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    Its on me ;)
     
  8. deeperblue

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    It's fine for me to say that before game, if he wanted to show his confidence or leadership, or whatever.

    But he never (or very rarely) said "it is my bad, I played a bad game" when Rockets had a loss. Well, certainly there were times he played like ****. Real competitiors would just say "I played poorly, but I will be back". Maybe this "coming back" would mean taking time off for rehab. That's fine. But just admit it when you played poorly, don't just use the lame excuse "I am hurt, my knee blah, blah, my back, blah, blah ..."

    True competitiors like MJ can still score 30+ points when having bad flu, in a final game, in which defense would be as tough as you can imagine.

     
  9. DaDakota

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    Whenever the Rockets do well, Tracy says "I" imposed my will, whenever they do badly it is "We" have to do better.

    TMac is the anti-leader.

    All the talent and none of the leadership qualities.

    DD
     
  10. JeopardE

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    Nope ... now you're just grasping for straws. In this very same interview he talks about how he actually came back to the court too early because he was concerned about helping the team get off to a good start because of the tough early schedule. The normal recovery time was supposed to be six to eight months, but he returned to the court in October. Furthermore, he actually started training camp late because he was not cleared by the doctors for contract drills.

    There is no such "evidence" out there, it does not exist. You only assume it is so because you already have a preconception of McGrady as being lazy and unwilling to make the required effort. This accusation is pure BS, and you know it.
     
  11. BucMan55

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    I wonder how long the OP has been waiting for a game like this for T-Mac. Guessing at least 5 weeks since he has had a very good 2 weeks on the court after 3 weeks off it.

    Here's the deal: If you dont like T-Mac you will criticize him for anything. You see an action that a neutral observer would see totally different. There is nothing anyone can say that will change that viewpoint.

    The Cavs announcers were not questioning T-Mac's heart or drive last night, they were questioning his health and maybe whether or not he should have been on the floor. Same with the Rockets announcers. They knew something was wrong.
     
  12. t_mac1

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    but they're not. these fans are waiting for games like this to pounce on tracy. its like tracy plays a bad game -> no heart, no leadership, softie...

    the guy just didn't have it physically and had a really bad game. it's that simple. he'll bounce back w/ 2 days of rest v. the hornets.
     
  13. Easy

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    Whenever?
     
  14. agentkirb87

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    Who cares what he says? Its either he plays well or he doesn't. I don't see why it matters that he openly talks about his bad play unless you are claiming there is a chemistry issue as a result of it, which there isn't.

    A couple of things here:

    1. Tmac is not MJ
    2. This is a regular season game
    3. We do not know the extent of his situation. You assume he quit when he was healthy enough to play like old Tmac. But you just don't know because you don't know how he feels.

    And it goes back to the horrible double standard you fans have. If Tmac is playing like crap, he gets **** on. If he rests trying to get back to the point where he was playing well, he gets **** on. What do you want the guy to do?

    He took a 7 game rest, and then came back and was scoring triple doubles. Its painfully obvious that rest helps based on what happened after he did it the first time.

    And I'll repeat myself a third time, even if you are right its a moot point. We need Tmac to be competetive. We wouldn't get back equal value in a trade (and apparently equal value for Tmac would be JR Smith the way you guys trash the guy)... so whats the point of b****ing about McGrady again?
     
  15. agentkirb87

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    What do you suppose we do about it? Trade him? We aren't going to get the type of player you want in a trade. Give him less minutes? Doesn't make sense considering your beef is that he didn't play in the last minutes of the game. So I guess the point of your b****ing is to just piss everyone off?

    This is just r****ded. Its one thing to say "well, the Rockets played like crap today, we should do this to start playing better". Because there is some logical discussion taking place. But this is just "I don't like the guy". And? There is nothing to be done. Everything that has been said about Tmac has been said before. Bringing it up again just ruins everyone's day.
     
  16. devin23

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    Tmac actually makes 20+ million a year. But yeah, i been saying the same thing all year long...
     
  17. deeperblue

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    So I will repeat myself one more time: He is like a chicken rib: Not tasty, not much to offer you, not much trade value, but it is a waste to completely throw him away. This guy will give you a few good games, and a few lazy games crying with excuses like "I am hurt" ...

    There is a lot to complain for this, for $20M's sake.

     
  18. Ashes

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    What a coincidence! I'm done with you!
     
  19. devin23

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    I totally agree. Battier, alston and yao has been playing after surgery, artest is playing hurt. I don't see them playing without effort. Tmac fans, give me a freaken break already.
     
  20. Ashes

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    How about Rocket fans?
     

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