Weslinder brought up an interesting point about the Great Depression and the powers that FDR got because of it. Whats your opinion on that?
I should say that I understand FDR's motivation. If I would have been put in the same situation, I might have done the same thing. It's really hard to watch people suffer and die when you think you can do something about it. Similarly, had I been put in the same situation as Bush, I might have done some of the same things. And had Bush not invaded Iraq, even with his trampling of the Constitution, his popularity would probably be 20% higher.
all we're missing now is the thought police... but they're already listening to our telephones, emails, and snail mail.... so we're not so far off after all.
I am never for bypassing the Constituion/Bill of Rights and I am a firm believer in State Rights. I would like to see us move toward state cooperation agreements instead of federalization. When Katrina hit I would have liked for there is be state assistance agreements between the gulf states and neighboring states to assure that local response and control was effective and maintained. Depending on an all powerful federal government leads to corruption and tyranny. I think that the '29 depression was not an accident and it is the biggest single example we have of the dangers of central banks and wall street politics- keep the central banks out of the U.S., the Constitution and Bill of Rights secure and keep policies within the rights of States and local constituents as much as possible and I think we would restore a servant government, of - by and for the people.
This is more possible than most here think. Not easy, but possible. For Bush at this point, no, not popular enough. Remember that when the plot in 1934 can to light after Butler, the man who the industrialists conspirators came to lead the coup because he was so loved and so highly decorated, came forward and told all no one was prosecuted. Even though they were all republicans and Roosevelt, a Democrat, was president the government still didn't have the power, and or, the political will to take it to trial because of the power of those behind the coup. You would have to have a very popular person lead the coup. You would also have to have control over the majority of the media. Say Fox News and Rush did a mass campaign saying how this was necessary because so and so was mentally unstable and planning to launch nuclear attack, and that elections would be coming soon but that something had to done immediately. There would be much disinformation to keep everyone confused, because the longer the conspirators stayed in power the longer they could consolidate power. On this board we would have people posting how it was necessary, restating the same lies they heard on TV. Not impossible.
It would be interesting to see where these plotters ended up in our society where their kids are now Rocket River
rhester, I watched Freedom to Fascism the other night, and it left some questions unanswered for me. Have you read other material about the Income Tax and the federal banks? Can I email you a few questions?
I can see that I don't see it as being so overt. It is subtle and over the course of time. I must admit .. the Coup in 1934 was news to me [and i suspect alot of folx not around at the time or historians] the fact that we have men IN THIS COUNTRY commit HIGH TREASON without any reprocussions speaks volumes of the power of money and influence etc this is why lobbyist bother me so Rocket River
Yes- please email me. I thought the movie focused too much on the income tax laws- way too much. But the basic essentials are there. You must pay your income tax, but the federal banks are the worst part of the whole mess- private bankers should never have control of a country. The last 15 minutes of the movie were more interesting than the first hour.IMHO
The best resource I could recommend to you is G. Edward Griffen's well written book on central banks in America- The Creature From Jekyll Island, here is the link link
Some people here are just living in fantasy land. Let's just get rid of central bank, that's a great idea, yup I am sure it will just work out fine.
No worries, only God Himself could get rid of the Fed, and I don't see that happening. We are just dreaming in our fantasy land, let us dream...
I'm older than rhester, but I'm sure he's had many conversations with people, many of them relatives, who lived through the Depression. My father was valedictorian of his high school in Houston, and had a hard time finding a job, eventually working as a guard for an airmail company, operating out of what became Hobby Airport. He dreamed of going to college, but the GI Bill is what made it possible. And that was from the catastrophic war you mentioned that caused him to enlist, early in 1942. Just insane times. Exciting times, once the war started. It may seem strange looking back from our vantage point, but those truly were exciting times for our parents and grandparents, our great aunts and uncles, those old cousins most of us have. The nation was mired in the Depression, making slow progress out of it under FDR, but making some progress, and then Pearl Harbor and Hitler's mad declaration of war against us changed everything. We became "a nation on steroids." We've been running on "the juice" ever since. It was nothing like these times we live in. The war, the Depression, and the leadership can't be compared with today. Oh, one could find some things on the margins, bend them like a pretzel, and make the attempt. In my opinion, it would be dishonest, but there you go. D&D. The Last of the Mohicans.
Deck, I just thought that Wes brought up an interesting point about what sacrifices that people are willing to make in order to feel safe. I don't know if the fears that one had during the depression and WW2 was the same ones we live with today, but I certainly could see it being plausible. On my end, I admire the "greatest generation" because I have no idea how I could have lasted through the Great Depression and WW2.
If you bring up the thought police, you have to mention their close friends... <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nbi5OcgW_UI"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nbi5OcgW_UI" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
I usually don't like calling people names but if you think there's a chance there will be no elections in 2008 you are a grade A moron.
Yes, many... My father was born in '29. My father in law fought Rommell in N. Africa I had a close friend who recently passed who was a teenager in the Depression - he always told me we wouldn't survive another one because we are soft. My grandparents travelled around working small share crop/farms until my grandfather (who fought in the Spanish/American War in Brownsville, TX) went to work for a railroad. I used to listen for hours to the storys.... thanks for bringing that up.
That could be true. I grew up poor so I can actually live on 10 bux a week if I really had to (which I had to when my job got outsourced to India, and I couldn't find a job cuz of 9/11). Not that it's a badge of honor or anything, I'm sure other people could do it too if they grew up in same conditions. Only problem is that majority of Americans has probably never had to deal with that kind of situation.
The truth is an economic disaster like the Depression can happen in the near future. It can be triggered by two things or the comination of the two: 1) US government defaults on its on its Treasury Bonds. We almost did it last year when it was approaching the 8 trillion mark. But then the Congress raised the default cap to 9 trillion, so we are fine for now. 2) 44% of Treasury Bonds are held by foreigners. If they sell them and then switch the dollar to other currency, the dollar will then be devalued massively which leads to hyperinflation and then economic depression.
