I thought of putting it in the Hangout but I felt it might denegrate into A Demo v Repub argument when the main thrust of the argument. . at least IMO I just don't think the Modern Average American has the mindset to revolt. Barring Death Squads marching down the street. . . I don't think the Average America would revote. . no matter what the government does Rocket River
You're correct. But we wouldn't need "average" Americans to revolt. We would need a few million radicals to revolt.
It would be interesting to see what reinstating the draft with the express intent to attack Iran would be.
I understand why you put it here. I was just kidding. You underestimate the American public, RR. I think the country would literally "blow up," were that scenario to occur. The American people aren't easily roused, but 9/11 showed how worked up we can get, given the motivation. Bush could have asked for great sacrifice from the general public on September 12th. He didn't, obviously, and we've continued to have tax cuts while the national debt grows, and an overworked military that should have been increased in size right after 9/11, and it was suggested, with Bush being against it. D&D. Howdy!
I do think that their are people in the US willing to attempt a coup on the government, but I don't believe this would do it. Mass protests and young people leaving for Canada, sure, but not a coup.
If president Bush declares emergency powers for the perpetuity I will run a special 20% off sale on firearms for all revolutionaries and armed agitators. To recieve your discount mention the keyword: REGICIDE
One theory says we hinted that we weren't gonna get involved and gave green light to Saddam to invade Kuwait so we can use that as an excuse to start the 1st war ... one thing leads to another ... It might not be too far fetched that worse things are still to come ... It could happen!
Something like your hypothesis will never ever happen in this country as long as the current Consitution still functions.
In coups, you either need to be very popular with the people or the military. Coups will be difficult as long as Americans have a decent education system and the military is voluntary. But who knows...it could happen.
Why speculate- the strategy is right in front of your eyes! - The constitution is methodically being ignored and revised through judicial abuse, executive orders, treaties, NGO's, Foundations, elite groups such as CFR- Bildebergers, globalist UN imperialism and a proposterous bureaucracy controlled by money. - The executive branch of government acts unilaterially at will through police actions- Congress no longer declares wars, agencies like ATF, FEMA, CIA, FBI, DEA, IRS etc. act with impunity without regard to rule of law. - Government surveillance and violation of civil liberties have never been more open and aggressive. - Media outlets and speech freedoms have been bought up by 3 major corporate controllers who are politically alligned with the wealthiest of politics on both sides of the aisle. Both political parties are totally controlled by the same elite banking/industrial powers and both political parties are committed to central banks that control the economic power of the nation and executive powers that strip individual rights from citizens. There is so much more, but basically the frog in the water is boiling as we speak. Why have a coup now? The constitution has already been raped and the only thing left is to find out what next '9-11' is planned to further shackle our freedoms. Tell me one thing you can do without government permission, besides go to the bathroom. While I am being the total pessimist let me that what goes around comes around. Everyone who expects the government to solve all their problems will get a government that controls all their lives.
Feels that way to me, give it another 3-5 yrs and it will feel more and more like Orwellian government... well I doubt there will be any Patrick Henrys around this time. Tyranny is not so bad when you can still go to the movies on the weekend.
do you mean the constitution before bush or the constitution in its present, tattered state? this country is founded in the ideals of the constitution. presidents swear an oath to uphold it, but bush is tearing it apart. it is nothing less than an attack on the very soul of this country. in the course of human history freedom is extremely rare. tyranny has been the norm and its very sad to see our country loosing its way like we are. EDIT: good post rhester. i would just add to your list the fact that we are now a nation that tortures people, thus forever tarnishing our moral standing in the world.
how many of yall are aware of the plot to stage a coup against fdr in 1934? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye," was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. Butler was awarded the Medal of Honor twice during his career, one of only 19 people to be awarded the medal twice. In 1934 Butler came forward and reported to the U.S. Congress that a group of wealthy industrialists had been plotting to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a military coup. Even though the congressional investigating committee corroborated most of the specifics of his testimony, no further action was taken. (See Business Plot) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot The Business Plot, The Plot Against FDR, or The White House Putsch, was an uncovered conspiracy plot involving several wealthy businessmen to overthrow President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1933. Purported details of the matter came to light when retired Marine Corps General Smedley Butler testified before a Congressional committee that a group of men had attempted to recruit him to serve as the leader of a plot and to assume and wield power once the coup was successful. Butler testified before the McCormack-Dickstein Committee in 1934 [1]. In his testimony, Butler claimed that a group of several men had approached him as part of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt in a military coup. One of the alleged plotters, Gerald MacGuire, vehemently denied any such plot. In their final report, the Congressional committee supported Butler's allegations on the existence of the plot, [2] but no prosecutions or further investigations followed, and the matter was mostly forgotten. "war is a racket" - gen. smedley butler
Fixed that for you! I don't know why people don't see this. When people started asking the Federal Government to fix their problems for them, they asked for this kind of government.
hmm Great Depression = Fear of Terror? Fear of no food = Fear of death? Willingness to give up freedoms in both cases? Interesting points. Never really saw it like that, but you got valid points. I can't imagine how it was like to live during the Great Depression or seeing a catastrophic war unfold that would cost millions of lives. I'm sure they can't see how people could live in an era where you could get blown up just by drawing a cartoon, taking public transportation or simply eating at a restaurant.
Well, first I love my family, enjoy my family, I love my church, enjoy my church family, I love my job, I like the Rockets and Houston sports teams in general... life is good. But seriously I am 53 yrs old and I am thankful I made it in on the last free days of this great republic... unless there is a miracle or some peaceful revolution expect the worst- that's the obvious direction the ship has charted. I mean get real serious if the constitution was completely set aside due to some national emergency do you think anything would happen or challenge it besides talking heads on CNN and FOX news? The imperial White House could declare martial law and a suspension of all civil liberties at the next 'national terrorist crisis' and we would all whimper back to the TV set and the BBS and argue over politics. I don't think there is enough understanding of a free republic, the bill of rights and individual liberty to make a ripple in the federalization process we are witnessing today. If anyone really cared (besides the extremists like Alex Jones) there would have been a public uproar years ago. It is too late IMHO Don't worry, Be Happy
