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Hundreds of children under age of 10 married in Iran

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    The reason they should not have nuclear power is that they are run by crazies.
     
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    Stirring the pot as usual, what else is new
     
  3. IzakDavid13

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    Just stating the facts, but it looks like...

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    Oh and you ask
    Good question, I'm glad you asked....

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\09\05\story_5-9-2012_pg7_25

    2,000 minorities girls converted to Islam forcibly
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    Was going to start another thread,
    but
    no need to stir the pot any further...

    it looks like this goose,

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    Is cooked!

    YEEEEEAAAH!

    :grin:
     
  4. London'sBurning

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs

    That was fairly recent.
     
  5. IzakDavid13

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    That sounds like you are calling them the Infidels of the Christian world.
     
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  7. IzakDavid13

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    The Mormons actually have more in common with islam than Christianity:
    1. Polygamy
    2. False Doctrine
    3. An Imitation Jesus
    4. Cultish behaviour
    5. Fixation with sexual relations ( with young girls)
    6. Heavenly Brothels
    And
    7. A False prophet.

    Oh! That's Game over!
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    You could say that they are the Islamists of the Christian world.

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  8. glynch

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    I will admit you parrot the logic of the neo-cons. "they are crazy so we need to provide no rational arguments or facts.."

    I don't find it convincing especially from someone so obsessed with Muslims and starting wars against them.
     
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    LOL, fortunately, I haven't started any wars.

    You don't think Ahmadinejad is crazy? You probably think the Israelis are crazier than Ahmadinejad?
     
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    I'm not sure if this was a joke or not, but those things aren't part of the Mormon religion.
     
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    That isn't your place to judge.
     
  12. IzakDavid13

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    Yes they are. While not all Mormons follow all of the above, they are part of the Mormon religion.

    Yes it is. Bible tells us to use righteous judgement.

    After reviewing all of the evidence, my verdict still stands. Mormons are not Christians.

    They may call themselves a Christian denomination, and they have the right to call themselves whatever they want...still doesn't make them Christians.

    Here is just 101 odd beliefs of Mormonism...you judge for yourself if these are Biblical Christian beliefs.

    This post is less about what the LDS church teaches publicly or in writing, and more about what is often not publicly admitted to, whether still believed or not, and about some of the crazier things Mormons come to believe when embedded in Mormon culture. *Though not categorized, some of these are doctrinal, others hearsay over the pulpit from apostles or leaders, and others adopted by more orthodox Mormons.
    1.******** Polygamy is still doctrinal in heaven and included in LDS scripture.* See D&C 132
    2.******** Sports should not be played on Sunday
    3.******** TV or movies should not be viewed on Sunday (except Church or "happy" media)
    4.******** Children should not be allowed to play with friends on Sunday
    5.******** Working on Sunday is strictly discouraged and really only not looked down on if you're an emergency response personnel, or other on-call emergency type jobs (doctors, police, firemen, nurses etc)
    6.******** Rated R movies should be strictly avoided
    7.******** 10% of your gross income (tithing) needs to be paid to the bishop/church before you pay for any other financial obligations, bills, food or other purchases
    8.******** Coffee and tea are prohibited even though they aren't specifically referenced by doctrine
    9.******** For some families, all caffeinated drinks and sodas are prohibited
    10.****** If you have dark skin and convert to Mormonism, your skin will begin to lighten/whiten
    11.****** You become a God/Goddess and are given powers to create your own worlds without number
    12.****** You should not be alone in a room or car with a member of the opposite sex to "avoid even the appearance of evil"
    13.****** Beer is prohibited even though it is scripturally allowed (D&C 89:17) "...and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain"* Beer was openly consumed in Utah by Mormons until Prohibition made it unpopular and the practice ceased.
    14.****** The Garden of Eden was in Missouri when Adam and Eve were kicked out
    15.****** All saints are to return to Missouri before the final arrival of Jesus for the Second Coming.* Some believe this exodus back to Missouri would be on foot.
    16.****** Two LDS Elders or Missionaries will stand and protect the city of Jerusalem during Armageddon, as spoken of in Revelations and D&C 77:15
    17.****** Native Americans are the descendants of the Lamanites spoken of in the Book of Mormon
    18.****** The LDS Temple marriage is considered superior to all other religious marriage ceremonies and must be obtained if you want to be with your spouse in the after life.* Not married in the temple?* Too bad, no spouse/partner in the after life.
    19.****** Love isn't as strong between couples and families who are not LDS
    20.****** Follow the prophet or leaders even if you think they are wrong
    21.****** Criticism of prophets or leaders will lead you towards apostasy
    22.****** Don't use Ouija boards, face cards or tarot cards.* They are of the devil.
    23.****** The US Constitution will hang by a thread and be saved by LDS Elders before the 2nd coming
    24.****** Women were discouraged from wearing pants up until the late '60s or '70s
    25.****** 3 Nephites still rome the Earth from Christ's visit to the America's, blessed by Him to not experience death until his second coming
    26.****** The moon will literally turn to blood during second coming crisis
    27.****** Heavenly Mother/Goddess exists, but she/them are too sacred to discuss and cannot be worshiped or prayed to
    28.****** Only Mormon's can go to the highest degree of heaven, which is why proxy ordinances are done in LDS temples for as many dead people as LDS Inc can get their hands on
    29.****** Kids or babies who die before reaching 8 years old are perfect and automatically get into heaven
    30.****** Missionaries can curse people by dusting their feet off as a witness to them rejecting the gospel
    31.****** Satan has power over the oceans, lakes and rivers which is why LDS Missionaries are not allowed to swim
    32.****** Satan can't read your thoughts so praying silently can help keep some of your secrets from him
    33.****** Dating is strictly prohibited until you're 16 and then only group dating is allowed or encouraged until you can marry after your mission or marry a return missionary
    34.****** Doctrinal polygamy gives the 1st wife authority to reject any prospects she doesn't like.* This was never really practiced though.
    35.****** Women who fail to marry in the temple during their life will be assigned a worthy spouse in the hereafter and likely as a sister wife with a harem of women
    36.****** Black people bear the curse of Cain and were born black because they were less valiant in the pre-existence (pre-Earth life) and sat on the fence as to whether to follow Satan/Lucifer or Jesus
    37.****** Cremation will make being resurrected harder, having to recollect all of your atoms/molecules from where ever they were spread
    38.****** God the father is only one of millions or endless Gods who are all basically relatives, fathers, brothers, grand-gods and so forth to our own God.* If we're worthy, we get to join the God club too.
    39.****** From the polygamy days, a man had to have at least 2 wives to get into the highest degree of heaven
    40.****** A woman's purpose in heaven is solely to birth endless babies to populate the worlds created by their husbands.* Billions and billions of babies!
    41.****** Gestation is still 9 months in heaven
    42.****** You are better off dying trying to fend off a rapist than to survive as a victim of rape, your virginity forever stolen from you
    43.****** Temple garments or underwear will protect you from physical harm or the grasp of Satan
    44.****** Girls can only have one piercing in each ear.* No piercings allowed by boys/men.
    45.****** Tattoos are a big no-no and should never be allowed to defile your bodies.* If you have tattoos when you convert, you may be encouraged to pay for laser removal at your own expense.
    46.****** Flip-flops are not to be worn in the church building
    47.****** All forms of birth control (condoms, pills, etc) are discouraged and the couple should allow as many children into their home as God decides to send them
    48.****** The Earth was not created by God, but by Jesus and Michael/Adam as taught in the LDS Temple endowment ceremony
    49.****** Secret hand shakes, keywords and signs are provided in the Temple endowment as passwords and keys to get back into heaven, like a kids club where only those with the secret passwords can get in
    50.****** The church partners with Boy Scouts of America for the development of males but does not endorse nor partner with the Girl Scout programs or similar female development programs
    51.****** The Holy Ghost is threatened or turned away by bars, clubs and "dirty" places so will not protect you or guide you if you choose to enter such filthy places
    52.****** Mormon Garments must be worn day and night, only removed for sex, showering and some sporting activities
    53.****** Women must wear their bras and panties over their garments, as the garment should be the layer closest to the skin for maximum protection
    54.****** If you're not a Mormon, or are unworthy without a temple recommend, you get excluded from the Temple wedding ceremony of loved ones, kids, siblings or best friends
    55.****** Mormon's do feel there is something special about them, or that they are better than non-mormons.* Having the ultimate "truth" does that to people.
    56.****** Masturbation is a sexual sin/transgression and seen as cheating on your existing or future spouse
    57.****** Sexual transgression is a sin next to murder in God's eyes
    58.****** Jesus atoned for our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane, not on the cross
    59.****** Jesus wasn't born of a virgin.* God had natural sex with Mary to impregnate Jesus
    60.****** You can't get into heaven without Joseph Smith's permission
    61.****** You can visit loved ones in lower kingdoms, but you cannot visit higher kingdoms of heaven if you didn't merit it yourself, though they can visit you (see D&C 76)
    62.****** You can tell the difference between a good angel, bad angel or resurrected being by their willingness or ability to shake your hand
    63.****** No rainbows shall appear during the year before Jesus' second coming
    64.****** If you've had a sex change, you cannot ever hold any callings/jobs in the church and only get baptized at the express permission of the First Presidency/prophet
    65.****** Role playing games, like D&D, are also evil
    66.****** Dinosaur fossils are to test our faith, and likely came from matter left over from past destroyed planets that were used/recycled to create Earth
    67.****** When a prophet or leader errors, it was because he was acting as a man and not as a prophet.* There's no indication until after the fact as to whether he was acting as one or the other, so you should always presume he's acting as prophet until proven otherwise
    68.****** Free agency and choice is revered, but don't make the wrong choice or we will judge, look down on and guilt you until you either stop making said wrong choices
    69.****** Once the prophet or brethren have spoken, the thinking has been done.* Don't question it.
    70.****** When someone leaves the church, it is God's way of separating the wheat (good mormons) from the chaff (bad, evil apostates)
    71.****** Jesus was supposed to come in the year 2000, that is until he didn't
    72.****** God is a resurrected, extra terrestrial, exalted human male who lives on a planet near a star called Kolob.* See Book of Abraham, chapter 3 in Pearl of Great Price
    73.****** Even though Jesus had a beard, we aren't allowed to have facial hair while attending the Lord's University, BYU, and are discouraged or flat out not allowed to have facial hair in high up leadership positions, despite early leaders all having beards
    74.****** The LDS Temple questions somewhat encourage the shunning or disassociating with anyone who is anti, apostate, or against the church.* This may include family members, close relatives or best friends if they end up leaving the church.
    75.****** The "Inspired" Joseph Smith translation of the bible is more correct than the KJV
    76.****** Joseph Smith's money digging and glass looking were actually God's way of preparing him for his role as a prophet and revelator.
    77.****** Our dead relatives and angel friends can see us when we sin, and so even when alone, it is not safe to masturbate or do anything "bad".
    78.****** The Holy Ghost goes to bed at midnight, so all dates, sleepovers, or other activities by youth or single people need to end by midnight or else you won't have protection or guidance against the temptations of the devil
    79.****** Hoard enough food, water and fuel to survive 3-12 months or more
    80.****** Women must wear modest clothing that extends to the floor while kneeling down (shorts, skirts etc) and that covers the shoulders and upper arms, no revealing of the midrift, no bikini swim suits, no tank tops, no spaghetti straps etc
    81.****** Satan's real name in the Pre-existence is Lucifer, even though that name is only used once in the Old Testament
    82.****** The ancient Jews were the only people who would kill Christ and therefore the most wicked people in the universe
    83.****** So long as the US/America's stay righteous, aka, primarily Christian and God fearing, they will not be attacked by foreign powers or enemies (stems from the tradition laid out in the Book of Mormon that righteousness equals protection from enemies by God etc).
    84.****** The Earth is a living entity that must also go through ordinances, death and exaltation.* The Flood of Noah was the Earth's baptism.* The fire and burning at the 2nd coming will be the baptism by fire and immediately after, exaltation to a perfect sphere of glass
    85.****** The Earth was once in orbit around Kolob, but was expelled when Adam fell from the Garden of Eden.* It will again return to that orbit after the millennium.
    86.****** If you don't make it to the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom, you will be gender-less in the after life.* No sex or sex urges for you in the Terrestrial and Telestial kingdoms.
    87.****** When people leave the church and can't leave it alone (despite being psychologically and emotionally damaged by it), it is called "kicking against the pricks", and is fulfillment of prophesy.
    88.****** There are people living on the moon.* LINK They dress much like Quakers and they are tall, many standing seven feet tall or more.* One day we will send missionaries to teach them the gospel.* There are also people living on the sun. Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 217
    89.****** Brigham Young (2nd LDS prophet) taught that Adam was the literal God of the Earth and Earth's family
    90.****** If you serve valiantly as a missionary, you'll be blessed with a beautiful and righteous spouse when you return
    91.****** If you hold your right arm to the square and invoke the power of the priesthood, you can cast out devils, divert floods and lava flows, and baptize others
    92.****** Women covenant in the temple to "observe and* keep the law of the Lord and hearken unto the counsel of your husband as he hearkens unto the counsel of the Father"
    93.****** All covenant in the temple "to sacrifice all that we possess, even our own lives if necessary, in sustaining and defending the Kingdom of God"
    94.****** We covenant to "avoid all lightmindedness, loud laughter, evil speaking of the Lord's anointed, the taking of the name of God in vain, and every other unholy and impure practice"
    95.****** More, we covenant in temples to "accept the Law of Consecration as contained in theDoctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion"
    96.****** Garments represent the garment God/Jesus made and gave to Adam when he discovered his nakedness in the Garden of Eden
    97.****** Women are most valued when in the home, rearing children and taking care of domestic affairs (laundry, dishes, house cleaning, etc)
    98.****** In the temple marriage covenant/ceremony, women "give [themselves] to [their husband] to be his lawful and wedded wife" and men "receive her unto [himself] to be [his] lawful and wedded wife for time and all eternity"
    99.****** If a widow remarries a man for time only, and bears him children, those children will belong to her first and sealed husband in the eternities
    100.**** Before a woman can remarry in the temple for eternity, she must first get a temple sealing annulment, which can only come at the approval of the First Presidency, and will likely not be allowed if the first husband is deceased
    101.**** Women were at one point allowed to give blessings by the laying on of hands, but that practice was ended when they were found to be more successful at healing than the priesthood holding men
    *
    http://www.lifeaftermormonism.net/profiles/blogs/101-nonpublic-or-weird-beliefs-of-mormons
    For more discussion on these and other beliefs, please follow this thread in the forum:*The nonpublic mormon beliefs not included on mormonbeliefs.org

    :grin:
     
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    You are one ignorant idiot. Just cause you repped my last post does not mean I understand where you are coming from.

    You should really move in with the people you are criticizing. You'll be surprised by how you fit right in and how accepting they are of you.
     
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    If this was a serious post, then you are misinformed on both religions.
     
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    Some of those things may have been at one time, and groups that claim to be some fundamentalist Mormon group may believe those things, but it is not part of the LDS church.
    The bible says for people to follow their beliefs even if they are different than others, and that they will stand or fall before their master(God). The bible says not to judge repeatedly, and it was certainly essential to Jesus message throughout his teachings, including the Sermon on the mount.

    The bible does say to judge the fruits, and the Mormons I know live their life in a very Christian way. I disagree with plenty of Mormon theology and doctrine, but going by their fruits and the fact that they believe Jesus was the son of God by who's grace they are saved, I'd say they qualify as Christians. Of course it isn't my place to judge.

    The bible says that you don't have a judgement when it comes to a person's soul. So for you to claim that someone else who believes they are Christians aren't Christians isn't your place.
     
  16. IzakDavid13

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    Hey, I'm not saying that they aren't nice people. In fact, Mormons are some of the kindest, accepting, forgiving, dedicated and devout people that I've ever known.

    But a fact is a fact, they are not Christians. Whilst they may read the Bible, and have a thorough knowledge of Christian theology, they have a totally different doctrine. They have elevated Joseph Smith to deity level, believe that the garden of Eden was in Missouri, that there is a multi-verse with multiple gods and that by being a Mormon and following their doctrine to the letter you too can become a god and start creating your own planets...

    Bro, you can call me ignorant all that you want. But when you attack the messenger and then accuse me of criticising a group of people without you actually reading the post or even looking at the facts behind my claim...it is you that exposes yourself as an ignorant idiot.

    Looks like the emperor's new clothes have left him exposed.

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    Sometimes it's good to know what you are talking about before you expel your verbal diarrhea and launch personal attacks.

    I never once said anything untrue or derogatory towards the Mormons, I just
    Stated the obvious truth, that Mormons are not Christians.

    I then proceeded to lay out the evidence to support my claim.

    Here is a little more. Care to give a rebuttal?


    Does this look like Biblical Christian doctrine or belief?
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    This is a chart showing the differences in the two religions.

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    Do the following contradict or support Christian beliefs?

    http://so4j.com/mormons-beliefs-exposed-video.php

    Follow the teachings of Joseph Smith:*The doctrine of Mormonism is completely unscriptural and dates back to about 1830. They believe that God the Father and Jesus Christ physically appeared to Joseph Smith and told him that the churches were all wrong. The Book of Mormon was to be added to the Bible. In other words, Christianity was all lost.

    The Mormons reject the finality of the Bible. They both take away from and add to God ’s Word. The Bible gives a severe warning about this in Rev 22:18,19.

    The Mormon Church is run by revelation. It is not committed to any fixed creed. It can be said it creates doctrine as time goes on.

    They use biblical terms, but their beliefs are far removed from true Christianity.

    Their book, the Doctrine of Covenants, speaks against having more than one wife in 101:4, 1835 edition. However, in 1887, Mormon Church historian listed 27 women that were married to Joseph Smith. This occurred during a time when such a thing was viewed as a crime before God. It is reported that Smith finally admitted it and changed the law of polygamy in 1843 (which showed up in 1876) and then the 1835 edition just disappeared. It is reported that some of his wives were still married to other men.

    Mormon leaders apparently believe that the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine of Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price do not contradict each other. This is far from the truth.

    Contrary to 1 Sam 15:29, Joseph Smith believed that God was once as we are, that Jehovah was the firstborn spirit child of Elohim. They believe He is not just Spirit and is not omnipresent. They believe we have to learn how to be gods ourselves.

    Jesus shedding His blood for our sins is apparently nonsense to them—the blood of Jesus could not make one clean by itself. Mormonism seems to believe that Christ and the devil are brothers, and Christ was married.

    They seem to believe the Holy Spirit is a substance or fluid and not omnipresent.

    They believe in baptismal regeneration.

    They believe baptism is the way to heaven and that the saints can be baptized for those that have passed away unbaptized.

    They believe there will be a resurrection of every living thing including animals and fish.

    All that are in glory are also gods. There are gods and other worlds. They also believe in heavenly marriages and in having spirit children.

    There is no burning hell. Punishment without end may last for a short time or a long time.

    They seem to believe that people will raise children after they leave earth. Their faith appears to be in Joseph Smith and changing revelations. It is certainly not in the God of the Bible. It is certainly not in Jesus Christ.

    Fact:
    Mormons are awesome people, but they are not Christians.

    Case closed.
     
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    Care to elaborate?
     
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    I'm pretty sure the US said light water reactors would be fine, it is the heavy water reactors (the kind that can be used to make weapons grade materials) that they cannot have. So no, the should not be allowed to have nuclear power of a particular sort, other kinds are fine.
     
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    No they don't. See above post.


    As someone who travels the world evangelising and spreading the Gospel, I do feel that I have a responsibility to expose false teachings and share the true gospel of Christ in a responsible and respectful manner.

    If I knew that a rope bridge was not strong enough to hold someone's weight as they were crossing over it, wouldn't it be wrong of me not to inform them that even though they believe that the bridge is strong enough and the right way to go, it truly isn't?

    Just because people believe they are something, doesn't mean that they are what they believe they are.
    As a Christian it is my place to correct any other religious people who call themselves Christians when they either aren't Christian (Jehovah's witnesses say that they are Christians) or believe that they are Christians but are following a doctrine that is polar opposite to the Christianity of the Bible.

    Their salvation could be at stake.

    And just because you believe in Jesus Christ, doesn't make you a Christian. The Bible says that the Devil and demons believe in Jesus Christ, and I'm pretty sure that they're not Christians.

    Mohummad believed in Jesus, I somehow think that he wasn't a practicing Christian.

    Once again, not having a go at the Mormon people or their religion, just pointing out the FACT that they are not Christians.
     
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    And to turn this debate back to being on topic.

    Reasons why children in Iran get married:
    - Lack of education
    - Lower standard of living (Women do not have opportunity to do much if anything in a 3rd world country)
    - Religion (Islam) encourages marriage as soon as one thinks you are ready to avoid sin. If you believe that having sex or doing anything sexual before marriage is a sin, think about how many times you might have sinned in the last 3 months. Marriage at 10 adds responsibilities as well as prevents sexual sin religiously.
    - Poverty prevents a lot of development (education, advancement in work, etc.) so religion, marriage, and raising a family are now priority over education and work advancement.

    Now yes I am sure there are people out there who are abusing this religious conception to make these 10 year old girls marry them. But not everyone is a bad guy. The idea of marrying young (keeping in mind that this is young for the American standard) is to stay within their priorities. I have lived overseas in the middle east albeit only a few months. I have seen the difference between America and Middle-Eastern countries. Why do we go to school and seek higher education? To get better paying jobs to support and give our families a better life correct? Well if that opportunity is not there, then why wait to get married? If you have already obtained all that you can, there is no point in waiting.

    I Know this is very different than what happens here in the states. I am sure people think it is wrong we let people drive at 15 or 16, go to war at 18, and drink at 21.
     

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