HuffPo: Obamacare rollout has been a complete disaster.

But of course you're unable to back your disagreement with any facts or figures to show your disagreement is in anyway sound.

Sorry the GOP has offered up no real alternatives. Doc Tal, your willful lack of understanding or sticking your head in the sand or whatever reason it is that you're claiming to believe things that aren't true isn't really helpful, and doesn't make your claims at all persuasive or even worthy of discussion. It only shows that you aren't willing to face reality in this situation.

 

Sane republicans start to face reality.

The Reality Is 'Some Americans' Lives Have Gotten Better' With Obamacare

Even some Republicans are grudgingly saying that the health care law is already too established for a wholesale repeal, and with thousands of uninsured signing up daily, that option grows more distant each week.

“It’s not in dispute that many Americans’ lives are being disrupted in an important way by this law,” said Representative Scott Rigell, Republican of Virginia. “Is it also true that some Americans’ lives have gotten better? Yes, and to not acknowledge that is to deny reality.”

 

For sure.

The reality is that the chips are still falling into place for many many people.

 

Notice that I said "real plan" in my post.

 

Awesome!

Kentucky Governor b****slaps his own senator.



Kentucky Governor To Mitch McConnell: Get Your Facts Straight On Obamacare

"This is beyond fixing. It needs to be pulled out root and branch and we need to start over," McConnell said during an interview on Fox's "On The Record With Greta Van Susteren." "It's been a catastrophe for health care and for the economy at large."

But the governor of McConnell's home state came to Capitol Hill on Thursday with a vastly different message: the health care law is working, and people in Kentucky can't get enough of it.

"I have a U.S. senator who keeps saying Kentuckians don't want this. Well, the facts don't prove that out," Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear (D) told reporters.

Beshear said more than 550,000 people have visited the state's Obamacare enrollment website since it launched on Oct. 1. More than 180,000 have called into the health care call center and about 69,000 people have signed up, or about 1,000 Kentuckians per day. Of those who have signed up, he said, 41 percent are under the age of 35.

"There is a tremendous pent-up demand in Kentucky for affordable health care," Beshear said. "People are hungry for it."

The governor also boasted of the law's economic benefits to the state. Over the next eight years, he said, it will generate $15 billion for Kentucky's economy and create 17,000 new jobs.

 

I had to call for a second time today but the phone rep got me in on-line and I got us signed up. It took about an hour. It is a pretty complex set of choices that I can see the average person would have trouble with. It probably would help to have an experienced health insurance broker's assistance. We will be on virtually the same Blue Cross plans we had with the addition of preventative care coverage for me. The cost would be about the same except we qualify (for probably just next year) for a pretty beefy tax credit.

Works for me.

 

Thanks for sharing your experience dubious.

 

Bigotexxx faints

via TPM --

As Obamacare Sign-Ups Surge, So Does Conservative Rage

It is amazing to witness the sheer depths of rage, denial and disgust many people experience as they see millions of people gaining access to affordable health care for the first time. Back on the 31st I wrote this overview which outlined how more than 9 million people now have health care coverage because of the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare). It now seems like the number is more like 10 million (more on that in a moment).

This evening I mentioned this number on Twitter and saw the full force of denial and outrage as many anti-Obamacare diehards made first contact with the actual number of Americans who've gained coverage under the program. More though, it was clear how in the absence of a dead in the water website to cry crocodile tears over, anti-Obamacare hardliners have suddenly gotten a whole lot angrier about Obamacare.

After an expected surge of sign-ups in late December, just over 2.1 million people have purchased ACA-compliant health care policies through the federal and state health care exchanges. A bit more than half came through the now-mainly-functional healthcare.gov website (which covers 36 states) and the rest came from the 14 states which established their own exchanges. That relative disparity is due both to the early problems with the federal website and active efforts to sabotage enrollment in private insurance in Republican run states.

Next there are currently rough 4.3 million people who have been enrolled in Medicaid through Medicaid expansion. A 3.9 million number is still being used in many reports. But that's a number as of 11/30. Charles Gaba is compiling together publicly available reports from different states and currently has the number at 4.3 million - not a surprising number given how much sign-up activity there was in December. The state by state breaks in this spreadsheet are very illuminating.

Notably, we also know the number of Americans who have been prevented from getting coverage because Republican governors and/or state legislatures who refused to participate in Medicaid expansion. That's 5 million people.

So if the Supreme Court had decided differently or if most but not all (Kasich, Snyder, Brewer, et al.) Republican governors had not refused to participate we might be talking about a number in the neighborhood of 15 million newly covered people.

Next there's a number that's been in effect for a couple years now and no one seems to want to discuss: roughly 3.1 million young adults under the age of 26 who now remain covered under their parents policies under a key provision of the ACA. This went into effect in September 2010. And the number of covered young adults in that age bracket grew steadily over the next two years. Here's a good overview from Money magazine from June 2012.

So let's do some simple math. 2.1M + 4.3M + 3.1M = 9.5 million covered.

So how does it get to 10 million? What none of these tabulations take into account are people who bought ACA-compliant policies directly from insurance carriers as opposed to purchasing them from private carriers via the exchanges. A lot of people did this and there was actually an aggressive push to get people to do so while the federal exchange site remained basically dead in the water. There is no tally of this number yet and will require a survey of carriers throughout the country. But I suspect it is certainly in the hundreds of thousands. And thus the round number of 10 million.

Now, as I said up at the top, there are a lot of Obamacare dead-enders out there who just blow a gasket when they make first contact with these numbers. The first claim is that Medicaid expansion somehow doesn't count. Or it doesn't count if a 24 year old is now covered under their parents policy because well that happened a while ago or well, something.

The best dead-ender argument is that well, maybe these people who've signed up for subsidized private insurance policies won't end up paying their premiums. When the arguments get down to this level you know you're dealing with a deep and intense form of denial. I mean, what if all these people change their mind next month and decide they don't want the coverage after all? What if Obamacare is so bad they all die in the Spring? What if Spartacus had an airplane? If you really, really are hoping for bad news you can come up with anything to keep hope, as it were, alive.

And then finally, these numbers are just more administration lies. Because, well, because. Here's where Gaba's spreadsheet is so helpful. It has the breakdown for private insurance and Medicaid expansion in numbers in every state with a link to an independent news source reporting the numbers.

These are the numbers. Lots of people have partisan or ideological or in many cases deeply emotional needs not to believe them. But these are the numbers.

 

I've been trying to sign up my parents since the day the website launched. Gave up after a few weeks of trying.

Tried again a couple of weeks ago and it went as smoothly as possible. My parents were paying $900 a month for some horrible coverage. The rate went up to $1050 a month, but its a really good plan. They also qualified for a large credit which brings their monthly commitment down significantly.

Thanks President Obama!

 

Like I've been saying all along, the only reason GOPbots are still harping on this is to increase donations and voter turnout. Obamacare is here to stay, forever.

 

So with the credit, that's more coverage for less money? May I ask how much the credit is?

 

What is so cool and yet so threatening to the more selfish of the one percent eite and their allies among ordinary conservative/libertarian types is that the ten million and growing number of folks, many of whom are relatively politically unaware or even Fox News deceived, are going to have a very personal important experience with government helping them in their daily lives. This can't be countered by the standard conservative/libertarian spin of government or Obama is the enemy.

Given this, the rage and desperate fear of health care for the deprived is understandable on the part of this elite and their allies.

 

This can also be read that less than 15% of the people that visited the health care web site have been able to enroll over the past 2+ months.

 

My in-laws are visiting from California. They are staunch republicans, avid Rush and FOX fans, and of course, hate all things Obama. Both retired, well-off, and leave very comfortably. I believe they are insured both through Medicare and through a private insurance via his retirement.

He is fully expecting that his insurance was canceled. I asked why he thought so... and he hemmed and hawed and said, well, his insurance was likely to be cancelled since he doesn't need maternity care and stuff.

He didn't have anything that would have alerted him to a change in his policy or coverage (in fairness, they have been here since just before Christmas, and returning home today, so he could have letters in his mailbox with the cancellation). But he is so sure he is being cancelled just based off what he hears from Rush and Fox...

 

Kentucky's website never had the issues that the federal website had. It's been pretty much rock solid since the launch.

 

Yes, the Foxnews crowd and Obama haters have been very effective in duping the ignorant into not signing up for healthcare. Congratulations, I guess.

None-the-less, those states that have set up exchanges and opened up Medicaid have already reached about 40% of their goals.

witness



The Price of GOP Obamacare Sabotage In One Chart

 

Wow, that chart really shows the true Omer Asiks of the healthcare debate. Just have to wait for the pout to end for those unfortunate states. Interesting to wonder how many uninsured will die -- or get million dollar emergency room treatments to stay alive -- before the pouting ends.

THIGH CONTUSION.

 

' likely ' only the sick have signed up...

the most desperate and determined were the most likely to sign up.

data points in that direction and reflects the same trend...


conditional conjecture.

this is only a piece of the puzzle.


what's the data?

 

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