Which model Glock? 17, 19? 9 or 10mm? .380 maybe? The early Glock 9mm (17) was a little faulty, but the newer Glock has been a part of law enforcement so long that all the glitches should be worked out. Think about it, what police department would want to incur the liability of a faulty gun that is their issue? Not that many. I know women cops with more balls than men cops when it comes to physical confrontation. Let's face it, some cops are whimps when it comes to tactics that subdue, therefore they intimidate with deadly force. It's not what the gun is meant for.
...this coming from the man who refuses to go see an Astros game because he says they have no 'brothers' on the team. Truly laughable.
I don't know why some of you have allowed the usual suspect to get this topic off track with his blame the victims of police brutality tactic but it has to be fairly obvious there is a problem in this area with our police departments. I've shown they have a higher kill rate than any others in the entire nation and that our grand jury process is biased in their favor. There is a problem involving accountability and training in my view. Perhaps this is partly Lee Brown's doing for his complete defense of anything HPD including our wonderful Chief Bradford but there is a big problem and it needs to be addressed pronto.
Show me where I said I refused to go see an Astros game! It didn't happen. Additionally the difference between you and I is that I didn't ask anyone join me in my opinion, plus when notified by a high ranking media official that it was a concern of Hunsickers, I dismissed my complaint. You alter the truth to support your unmitigated ignorance. What was once a cute act is now behavior abhorred by your strongest supporters. Read this thread, I am kicking your ass and no one is here to aid you, how does that feel? Face it Jorge, I'm kryptonite to you, the more you deal with me the weaker you become. I won't stop until you are eliminated.
A juvenile delinquent resists arrest and sucker punches a policeman in the balls. How do you know it was a sucker punch and not just part of the struggle? By the way, the only officer charged in the fake drugs scandal in Dallas was acquitted. If it's this difficult to prosecute officers when the evidence is more cut-and-dried, I can imagine how hard it would be to prosecute officers in situations such as this where a very credible defense can be made. Basically, the police have a free pass to violate their own policies and oftentimes to violate the law. There are rarely any consequences. And because of that, people will continue to grow more and more distrustful of the police, especially among the communities that are hardest hit by these kinds of actions. The few bad apples are making it harder for the honest cops, who are the majority, to police cities and fight crime.
As we all know, this is simply an outright lie. The thread itself was so heinous that it was actually *deleted* from the board, instead of just being locked. That's how bad it was. Nice try though at trying to hide behind that. This isn't the first time you have hidden, either. When asked multiple times to post the words to your comedy routine in which you stereotype and insult Chinese people, you declined. More hiding. The fact of the matter is that whether we are talking about Kobe, Warren Sapp, Jeremy Shockey, Drayton McLane, etc, you have consistently shown your true colors. You were absolutely crucified in that Astros thread. What if someone said that they refused to watch a certain basketball team because they didn't have any white players? You would croak. But when the races are reversed, this is your position with the Astros. Your position is highly predictable and certainly no secret to the board. You can, of course, exonerate yourself, by posting the words to your Chinese Driving School routine.... or you can keep hiding.
Here Jorge call the guys that helped me write the bit... Chinese Driving School 52 East Broadway, New York, NY 10002 (212) 431-6322 You're fading fast...
Hilarious. Now you are claiming that these people helped you write the bit? Funny, you never mentioned that before, despite the fact that it could have helped your case. That really makes one question the validity of your statement. Regardless of who wrote it (and my guess is that it was you alone), you continue to *hide* from posting the words. You absolutely have record of the words, thereby making the request one that can be easily answered. However, you choose not to. Your guilt is obvious. And where is your rebuttal to the Astros thread that was deleted? Are you now admitting that you asked me to post the link because you knew all along that it was deleted? Nice try. It might have worked on someone less astute. Your argument is as thin as your attempts at deception. I gave you the chance to exonerate yourself. You failed in your attempt to do so. CASE CLOSED
1. Meet me somewhere and I'll sell you a copy, otherwise shut your hole. 2. Ask Clutch. Believe me I have better things to do with my time than "trick" you. 3. Exonerate myself from what exactly? Remember the cop killing the kid, or have you shamed yourself enough on that topic?
I saw this article in the Chronicle and remembered this thread. its funny if you read some of the posts and read the article because there were a lot of assumptions made about what officers are trained to do. Looks like the officer who shot the kid in the apartments didn't pass the training to deal with the situation he was in. kind of feel bad for the cop, looks like he never should have been an officer in the first place old thread update In just three weeks in 2003, two unarmed teenagers were fatally shot by Houston Police Department officers — both of whom said they accidentally fired. In the aftermath of the deaths of Eli Escobar II, 14, and Jose Vargas Jr., 15, families mourned, activists marched and city leaders reacted. Not long after, police leaders bought Tasers as a nonlethal alternative to firearms and funded additional tactical training. Further changes are expected now that Escobar's parents have won one of the largest and more notable settlements for a civil rights case involving use of force in Harris County history. The $1.5 million deal, approved last week by Houston City Council, incorporates the unusual component of changing how officers and cadets are prepared. To complete the academy, cadets now will have to pass a test that measures their ability to handle firearms under stress. The officer who shot Escobar failed that test, but graduated. Another part of the agreement invokes the young boy's name. Annual firearms training will require review of the so-called "Escobar Rule," which calls for officers to reholster their guns before physical struggles — when possible — and to keep their fingers off the trigger unless ready to shoot to kill. Already part of HPD training, it now has a renewed emphasis. The settlement, however, did not address allegations in the lawsuit that HPD has fallen behind other large U.S. departments in the frequency of its firearms training and the quality of its training facilities. HPD requires officers to visit the firing range once a year — the state's minimum requirement. Most other large cities require at least two annual firearms training sessions; national guidelines call for four. The Houston Police Officers Union says officers would like more training, but HPOU President Gary Blankinship said providing it would be expensive. Officers who want additional training must buy their own ammunition and compete for range time. In 2003, eight people died in 23 HPD officer-involved shootings. In 2004, the year after Escobar and Vargas died, 10 people were wounded or killed by police officers in similar incidents — a record low. The number of HPD-involved shootings went back up in 2005, the year Tasers were introduced. The Harris County District Attorney's Office recorded 22 shooting incidents involving HPD that year and 24 in 2006. Last year, there were 18. Training concerns Settlement of the Escobars' suit came after a long string of embarrassing revelations in documents and depositions, the court file shows. The officer involved, rookie Arthur Carbonneau, did not pass a weapons-handling stress test as a cadet. He still graduated because of the department's reliance on overall averages. Carbonneau later failed his initial field training in part because he was easily flustered, the documents show. Also, Carbonneau testified he never had learned that he should not draw and point his weapon at someone who did not present a real threat to him or others. Carbonneau, who resigned from HPD and was convicted of criminally negligent homicide in 2005, said he had done the best he could with Escobar, given the training he had received, according to a deposition. Taken seriously In approving the settlement, the city did not admit fault in the case, but Mayor Bill White will issue a written condolence to Eli and Lydia Escobar. White said he wants to be sure the Escobars know the city takes the death of their son seriously and will do "everything in our power to make sure a tragedy like this does not occur again." Previously, even in some of the most notorious use-of-force cases in Houston history, families of victims, including Vargas' parents, have been unable to win such favorable outcomes. The Vargas incident Jose Vargas Jr. was shot dead Halloween night 2003 inside his mother's Chevrolet Blazer outside a west Houston movie theater by an off-duty police officer. His parents, Jose and Maria Vargas, sued the city and AMC Theatres, the company that hired HPD officer Richard Butler to work security. Just as in the Escobar case, an HPD officer pointed a loaded gun at an unarmed teenager and put his finger on the trigger. Other circumstances differ from Escobar's, including the fact that the younger Vargas was illegally operating a vehicle and Butler, unlike Carbonneau, was a longtime officer with a clean record and commendations. Butler was fired, but not indicted, and later was reinstated with back pay, said Terry Bryant, a Houston lawyer who filed a negligence lawsuit in state court on behalf of the Vargases. The theater settled for an undisclosed sum. And after more than four years in legal limbo that included an appeal, the city settled in February for $45,000, senior assistant city attorney Annie Teehan said. "They paid us a disappointing amount of money," Bryant said. "It was just such an unfortunate and unnecessary death and it's unfortunate the family cannot get fair compensation for that." The Vargas agreement with the city included no change in police policies or procedures. However, lawyers in that case did not present information about HPD training deficiencies that were explored in the Escobar case. Lydia and Eli Escobar hope the changes their case spurred will help spare the lives of other teens. "I don't want another mother to be in my shoes," Lydia Escobar said. A look at Escobar's death The younger Escobar, an eighth-grader who weighed more than 200 pounds, was playing video games with friends shortly before his death. He was not involved in a fight between kids that officers had come to investigate. But police detained Escobar and two other children to question them about the scuffle. Escobar knew nothing about it and asked to leave. Carbonneau refused to let him go, physically struggled with him and then pulled his gun. Escobar, the grandson of a Nueces County deputy sheriff, died after telling the officer he was afraid and wanted his mother. Escobar's parents and human rights activists alike called the Escobar Rule an important "first step" in reducing officer-involved shootings and unnecessary use-of-force. Said the elder Eli Escobar: "We're very pleased at what the city is doing for us — it's a start for other people ... to help our children." Chronicle reporter Roma Khanna contributed to this story.
See obviously you didn't read the article. Those pesky guns just going off all the time. Not the cops fault who squeezed the trigger, its the gun. Otherwise they would have said
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH It is not cocked until you pull the trigger. I repeat if the trigger is not pulled the striker spring does not have the power to setoff the primer. Also there is a huge block that is keeping the firing pin from even moving forward unless the trigger is pulled. You are so off it hurts.
id like to see all the facts before passing judgement. however, reading what has been reported so far, it seems they were both accidents. if an independent investigation will appease lulac then i think houston should do it. if their officers are innocent then it helps to dispell the thinking that hpd is corrupt. im not really troubled that it was two hispanic teens who were killed seeing as how hispanics now make up a large portion of the population of houston. police officers have a tough job. i have to agree with their policy of being able to draw their arms when they believe there is a threat.
Not true. Regardless of what Glock advertisements say, Glocks are single-action handguns. The hammer is cocked when you cycle the action. Don't believe me? Unload your Glock and dry-fire it. Then try to dry-fire it again without cycling the action. If the hammer were cocked by the trigger pull, this would be possible. It's not. I know that Glock's hammer design makes a misfire from a dropped gun unlikely, but that does not change the fact that they are cocked by cycling the action.
Here is a thought. Don't struggle with a police officer and kick at police officers and you probably won't get shot at. I know its difficult to understand.
Two things we can learn from this: Hispanics aren't minorities in Houston. Obey the police. It's easy to not get killed by the police.
