HP- Look at that Laker defense with their feet WIDE apart.

I was just thinking that Maxwell needed to bend his knees more Other than that its a solid defensive stance.

I dont know how Langhi's stance looks, I would have to see it to judge it.

It takes a lot of practice to learn a good defensive stance. At first its pretty uncomfortable for players. It takes about 1 month for them to become conditioned for it.


Here is a test for you, put your feet shoulders with apart, and try to slide, without crossing your feet, and you have to keep your legs the same distance apart the whole time (shoulder width apart) Now spred you legs out about as far as maxwell's are in that picture and try to slide from side to side, of the two stances which one allowed more movement. If you say the first then you are right, but keep in mind if after two or three steps in the first stance you are now in the second stance, there is your answer.

 

i think it depends on the individual, frankly. case in point: dennis rodman.


rodman, on the perimeter, spread his feet beyond his shoulders. is that technically wrong? sure. technically, your feet should be at shoulder width apart. however, rodman had the ability to shorten the foot space needed to move laterally. he didn't bring his feet together underneath his body. rather, he "flicked" his feet outwards...almost like a skater skates...almost. that's incredible. and incredibly effective if you have the leg strength to do it.


personally, i've always had had my feet shoulder width apart (since i don't have the ankle strength to "flick" like rodman). however, i did/do keep about 50% of my weight on the front half of my feet. that's probably a little light, but as a quick leaper/shotblocker with loooong arms, you're afforded that luxury.

btw, heypee, 80% is too much, imo. at 80%, i'm going right by you...i promise. unless you possess some physical advantage that you haven't mentioned. then again, you indiana boys never were known for defense.

 

Only one picture (the last) really shows a player dribbiling - with the ball on his hand...and the player cannot be determined.

Jordan 1 is holding, Jordan 2 is carrying (if he is even dribbling), as his hand is under the ball (he isn't dribbling like shooting, either). Kidd 2's hand is blocked by the ball...but he also turning the corner (with his hand on the side of the ball) and not dribbling as he would shoot, either.

Anyway, your thick head never understood (or at least didn't want to bother with) my position anyway, instead only going off on some tangent about how much smarter you were based on your own conjecture.

In regards to this thread - again, you don't get it. I was not making an argument any one way (you are just too confrontational with me), other than to show all the varying levels of defensive stance, starting at shoulder-width and going out (there is not one standard) - Payton had some more extreme ones and I liked your "kicking" image, but I didn't use them. He plays defense like he drives. That was the only Maxwell defense image I could find - I remembered him playing defense differently.

 

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I could play good defense if I grabbed somebody's leg and arm, also

 

Who said the further your feet are apart the more weight is on your toes?? Do you weigh more with your feet apart.

What Agassi and Smith also don't have to do is jump to challenge a jumper.

A closer base is slower to jump??? really.

my natural stance is a little passed shoulder width, like Payton's 3rd photo. Going wider feels fake and not as flexible. Try standing a foot passed your shoulder frame, or two feet or 3. Do you really think you can jump faster? If so, why do shooters stand with a closer base, and certainly jump with a closer base...except for Langhi again. You notice how he also shoots jumpers with he legs to wide apart?

I like a closer base to Maxwell's photo, because I want to be prepared to jump, move left or right, or diagonally backwards with equal success.

 

Watch him next game. Watch his follow through on his dribble.

btw: I'm not as confrontation as Payton, Maxwell, and that gecko.

 

a closer base is quicker to jump.

 

oh...and i agree about langhi. his feet are too far apart. at his height/jumping ability, he should bring his feet closer together, back off his man about a 1/2 step (to compensate for lack of lateral quickness), look to force the j, and try to contest the shot.

chances are, most peope he covers are shorter and quicker than he is. use your strengths, DAN!!! but you won't be using them on the rockets next year, you longnecked b*stard!

 

grrrrrrr, I'm from Illinois.

Anyhow, I didn't want to say this early, but you will make me confess now. My natural stance is 100% on the balls of my feet. Call me a freak, but call me quick like Kenny and notice he is always on the balls of his feet, too, unless he's bodying someone. It is a necessity for tennis to remain on the balls of your feet, and I found it improved my BBall defense enough to be the best position defender on my HS team. In fact, do any cornerbacks not maintain 100% weight on toes. I don't know that one, but that's what I do.

Even if I try to do the partial distribution thing, when I move laterally its both feet off the ground, I end up on the balls of my feet again. It's like muscle memory for me. Try it, verse. When you move and regain your stance, are you on the balls of you feet 100% for at least the initial part of recontacting the court? Am I really a freak for the 100% thing?

 

oooh oooh rimmy,

here's a confrontational photo for you.

Isn't this #8 Kobe with the amazing positional defense to stop Pippen from turning the corner, unless he's about to use that elbow. And even if he is turning the corner...in that picture he's dribbling towards the key not the basket, right? I think Kobe's 100% on his toes, too.

I never said they teach that type of defense.

<img src="http://www.nba.com/media/blazers/pippen_254_020425.jpg">

 

heypartisan,

Uhh...follow through is inevitable with a motion such as dribbling. That is nothing special. He still is not only using his palm and "shooting at the ground." Form is still different. Besides he is from the ghetto asphalt school and doesn't understand the precision and creativity of real basketball.

BGM once said, "you are a mo-ron." Didn't you think that was funny?

 

indiana...illinois...iowa...same thing



yes, you're right that at some point i am 100% on the balls of my feet...usually while shuffling. but when i square my man up on the perimeter, i am not. since you played a lot of tennis (i played my share up until i was about 13) it makes sense that you would spend so much time on the balls of your feet. tennis is so much a game of pivots and reactions, that it makes sense to be in that position and i could see how you could translate that to the bball court.


imo, basketball is close but not the same (pivots and reactions). the major difference, imho, is that on defense in basketball i can dictate where you're going (unless you have an allen iverson mentality..."i will not go left...i will not go left...i will not go left...i will not go left"). so i don't have to react to the possibility of you going to the right, when i'm forcing you left. make sense?

then again, who knows? i might be a "50%er" from having to run back and cover the point guard's ass after he's been burnt playing langhi-like defense against a quicker player! damn no defense playing point guards always assign shot blockers unnecessary fouls!

 

oh rimmy, check this out:

Jerry Stackhouse with the awesome wide base defense on Pierce:

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Pierce with the awesome close base defense on Stackhouse:

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hehe

And you did see the Kobe 100% on his toes very close base defense on Pippen on the previous page in this thread.

 

Actually, heypardee, Kobe is 100% on one toe in that image. His arms are waving to the side like a killer gecko, and he is leaning to his right - while Scottie "blazing speed" Pippin is going to Kobe's left. Don't you get anything right?

Why are you even bringing up toes with me, anyway. Obsessed with digits?

 

You failed to understand my post. I didn't say they could jump faster, HP. I said get a hand in someone's face. Who cares how fast you can jump when you can't get your weight moving forward to even get near the player? I was referring to a player's balance when his/her feet are varying distances apart, and how easy it is to move forward (or backwards) with your feet further apart than shoulder length.

 

Also with the Kobe pic...

Is it not pain stakingly obvious that Pippen is driving from Kobe's right to left? Is it at all possible that Kobe was spread, but moving laterally means at some point closing of the feet to actually move. Seems to me that the picture just happened to be snapped as he was shuffling left, than proof that Kobe uses a "narrow" base.

 

bingo,

If you intend to start with an extra-wide base like Langhi does by "closing of the feet to actually move" in a "shuffling" action, you are going to be slow to actually move laterally to stop the initial step. Try it. Doesn't your trailing foot have to move first. The foot being attacked can't go wider, can it?

I don't believe the best actually do shuffle into a closed position as you say, unless in rapid sideways pursuit like Christie trying to shuffle a baseline move into the baseline. It is more a hovercraft manuever like a glide. Get into your comfortable stance, and move left without closing your stance any. Can you do it? It definitely has its advantages if you can. Now spread your legs wider than you like, and try it again.

I'm trying to describe movement with just an ankle action not a side shuffle. Both have their needs. When I go beyond my comfort stance, and Langhi is way beyond that, I can't do the ankle action as well, that's why I don't feel that stance is as flexible.

We are talking about a matter of difference from the norm. 6' or 12' between you and me is a matter of taste. Exaggerating that as Langhi does is odd to me.

btw dreamshake: the pictures are kinda a joke.

 

no one can be as annoying as DaDakota, this is not wrong.

Langhi looks like Maxwell in the bottom photo if not wider. I'm not the only one in this thread that has noticed that. And if he doesn't have the foot speed, there are other ways to play defense they spreading arms and legs at me like dancing gecko.

try to convince of something that I didn't see next time DaDakota.