Yes, I suppose you're right with the arena issue. However, I still highly doubt that the Rockets would trade Olajuwon for a number 1 pick. Not at this stage. Also, please find me the team that 1) will do anything for cap space and 2) has players that we would want. Achebe, "Take a snapshot of the NBA right now. Who's tradeable? Iverson? Houston? Perhaps Vin Baker? I'll side with cabbage on the Garnett thingey. He's not available just b/c Smith might be gone. LOL. If and when Carlos leaves next year, I'll tar & feather the first Minnesota fan to assume that the Rockets all of a sudden have to trade Francis. Sheez." While you were obviously going for the exaggeration, I don't find it beyond the realm of possibility that the Wolves would consider trading Garnett because of what has happened with the ruling. I mean, they haven't done anything with what they have, and now they've lost two good players and their draft picks. You say that the picks are not worth much, but if the Wolves were to have one measly losing season they could come out with the difference between a playoff team and a championship team. ------------------ Nederland 2002 Garnett a Rocket? Read our latest column at ClutchTown.com
Does this surprise me? No, I think Hakeem still believes he is a star and if he is the focus of an offense that he can still do it, night in and night out. You know what? He is absolutely right. He looks at the situation here, and sees the direction the franchise is heading, he wants to compete, to contribute, to be THE MAN, again. I would not trade him, unless we get someone real special for him. I would rather he work with this current team, and teach them how to become champions. DaDakota ------------------ All you MO-FO's better stop ripping off my lines !!
Ace, I was primarily just trying to compare Smith to Los, though I think higher of Carlos to be honest. Right now I think that the Wolves could go either way b/c of the picks. IMO they are much more important than Smith. They'd actually be irrelevant if Garnett's salary wasn't so high. If they trade Garnett, I'll be less surprised than if they succeed w/o trading him.... but they still have the opportunity to progress w/o that step. Noone thought that a team could have gotten Shandon Anderson or Mo Taylor on exceptions. Either way, Rudy would lose any semblance of respect from his team if he traded Steve. Mind you, this team is lovie dovie. If he were to interfere w/ that, whoa. ------------------ "Everyone I know has a big but... come on Simone, let's talk about your but."
For those of you questioning Dream's loyalty, he didn't demand a trade, he just gave the organization a way to better itself for the future without feeling guilty or having a fan backlash. I believe that this makes Dream the most loyal player any pro team has ever had. I think we might be better off just letting him play out his last year here, renouncing him, & resigning him for 1-2 million next year if he's open to that idea. Having said that, I have a trade proposal (imagine that). I checked with RealGM & it works. I propose that we trade Dream/Draft picks to the Clippers for Kandi/Miles/Sean Rooks/Piatkowski. The Clippers get a legitimate center (assuming his health holds up) to go with their young nucleus, that makes them instant contenders for the playoffs. That should bring in the fans & might turn some of the negative feelings towards the organization around. They could resign him for say $8 million next year or let him go to get the cap space. That would allow them to reduce the number of players on the roster & of course payroll, which has been pointed out by the more knowledgeable posters here, is just what their management likes to do. The Rockets get Kandi to replace Dream, the SF in Miles that we need & a couple of other good reserve players. We also in this scenario, get a trade exemption of $5,200,840 that we could use to resign Taylor next year. As far as the conflict that I've heard mentioned between Kandi & Taylor, winning changes everything. We could later attempt a trade of Cato to Chicago in order to reduce salary. I say this because Cato IMO, hasn't shown a lot of improvement in his game so far this year. Miles has been lighting it up this preseason & looks like a legitimate starter. I doubt that the Clippers would go for this deal unless we included several #1 picks & even then I'm not sure they would. But, just imagine. Clippers lineup: C: Olajuwon PF: Nesby SF: Odom SG: Maggette PG: Dooling Rockets lineup: C: Kandi/Los/Collier PF: Taylor/KT/Rooks SF: Miles/Walt SG: Anderson/Mobley PG: Francis/Moochie IR: Langhi/Bull/Piatkowski The Rockets lineup might be a little different than this, because to trade Cato, we might have to package other players on both sides to make it work. Of course, this trade couldn't happen until after December 15. Dream on. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Hottoddie (edited October 28, 2000).]
Nesby at PF? Do you know who Nesby is? 6-6 225 pounds ------------------ "You look a team that's been to the mountaintop like the Houston Rockets, I'm going to put pressure on myself to be the best possible player that I can be. With the pieces they already have in place and myself, we can do some amazing things next season." Maurice Taylor
"The Clippers get a legitimate center (assuming his health holds up) to go with their young nucleus, that makes them instant contenders for the playoffs." No way Dream makes the Clippers contenders for the playoffs. No way. ------------------ Nederland 2002 Garnett a Rocket? Read our latest column at ClutchTown.com
They wont trade Miles , he is the future of the team. ------------------ "You look a team that's been to the mountaintop like the Houston Rockets, I'm going to put pressure on myself to be the best possible player that I can be. With the pieces they already have in place and myself, we can do some amazing things next season." Maurice Taylor
Sorry Francis3, I'm not real familiar with the Clippers roster, so I don't know who their PF would be. ------------------
Just talked to some Minnesota fans, and they told me that a deal with Chicago was rumored but that it would have to include Brand and two of the following: Fizer, Crawford, Artest, El-Amin. Meaning: KG doesn't figure to be traded ------------------
Ace, "I don't think that Hakeem Olajuwon is the player they had in mind. I don't think they're looking to clear cap space, as they already have it. They signed Brad Miller over the offseason knowing what he would mean to their cap. No sense trading him. They would trade Fizer, but for something significant. No way they just give him up just because he doesn't necessarily fit in the rotation. They drafted him knowing this already." I have to disagree, Olajuwon might not be exactly the player they had in mind, but even at this stage of his career he has more fan appeal than Mercer and Smith combined. Chicago wanted to keep their fans interested and that I believe is the reason they are willing to over paid Mercer and Smith. I don't believe Bulls drafted Fizer knowing that he does not fit in, I think Chicago drafted Fizer in the heat of the moment to spike the Clippers. You might be right about Fizer's trade value but that all depend on how well Olajuwon can play this season, if he has any gas left in his tank, his trade value would be >= to that of a Fizer. I don't think it is unrealistic to think that Olajuwon could have a good season this year. Ewing (who is older than Olajuwon) was hurt for couple of seasons and he played pretty good last year 15 points, 9.7 broads and 1.35 blocks. The Miller reference is to point out that Chicago is not giving in too much by including Miller in this deal, because Miller has the option to leave after December. As for Houston's point of view, someone have already pointed out that people would have already voted by December. [This message has been edited by rblh (edited October 28, 2000).]
First, I see no reason why Minn should trade Garnett this season. It isn't as if the floor suddenly fell out from under them; they still have the same team minus Smith. Big freaking deal. They're going to challenge for the playoffs like they always have. It isn't like they're sitting there, chewing on their nails, "Oh my god! What will we do? The ship is sinking! Trade! Trade!" This is not Toronto shopping for the best possible deal for Stoudamire before the trade deadline. Garnett is locked down for years, and is dedicated to his team. They have a great team with Brandon and Wally in there. It would be completely utterly ridiculous for them to suddenly push the panic button and make any one of the many completely asinine trades that have been proposed here. Riduculous. It must be noted that Garnett is very young and is still only approaching his god-like ultimate potential. He's not there yet, not for a couple of years in my opinion. He's amazing now, but in the next two or three seasons he will finally blow up to the final level, and challenge Shaq, Duncan and Iverson for MVP regularly. To trade him, they are looking for superstars in return, period. And remember, Minn has lots of time, no rush, no desperation; when it comes to a KG trade, they're in the driver's seat. I think Orlando would give Minn Hill, McGrady, and picks in a heartbeat. Sixers would give Iverson and Ratliff plus more. Absolutely no way will Houston get Garnett without giving up Francis. Come on. And even if they do, it won't be this season. Another thing: Sacramento wants cap space in order to keep Webber. Duh. Please, please just stop with the Hakeem for Garnett or Webber dreamcasting.
Completely agree on Minnesota being in the driver's seat. That's what I've been saying all along. If they were to trade Garnett, it would be for a star player and cap space. As for the Bulls trade mentioned by rblh: Why would Chicago give anyone up right now, especially considering their horrific offseason? Trust me, if they get their hands on a player like Fizer they will not give him up that easily. How in God's name will Olajuwon help them? He's always been underrated, and now that he can barely play fans will suddenly start pouring in to see him in Chicago? Olajuwon's name no longer attracts attention. Secondly, one of the biggest attractions that Olajuwon holds is the fact that he's the type of player you would get to clear up cap space. Right now, the Bulls don't need it. And if they did, they would not trade a guy under a rookie contract. That's not a burden on your cap at all. ------------------ Nederland 2002 Garnett a Rocket? Read our latest column at ClutchTown.com
how about we trade dream for a whole bunch of playboy bunnies =) i'd rather have those type of dreams .... ------------------ "Wahooo"-homer
Anyone who who would e-e-e-v-e-n consider trading or, e-e-e-v-e-n think about trading e-e-e-v-e-n for a milisecond, Francis or Mobley for Kevin Garnett is not a true Rockets fan. ------------------
Why would Minnesota want the following players? Bryant Reeves Doug West Othella Harrington Carlos Rogers ------------------
Ace, Chicago will give up on player like Fizer right now for a player that can help them at center because they already have Brand. Are you saying that playing Fizer at small forward or playing limited minutes at power forward will help them more than playing Olajuwon at center? Or are you saying that Fizer has a better trade value? Yes, I think a healthy Olajuwon will help them in records as well as attendance, Hakeem could still average 14 points, 9 boards and 1+ blocks. If an older Ewing can come back from an injury that was far worse than Olajuwon's breathing problem then I believe a health Hakeem can be a top 10 center. I guess we have to disagree on Olajuwon's ability to draw fans, but I believe he could and can definitely be a better draw than players like Smith & Mercer combined. Some of Olajuwon's attraction might be based on clear up cap space for some teams, but he does have value as a player as well. If you believe Fizer has a better trade value than a health Olajuwon then that is another issue that we disagreed on.
Whoa. This went from "Dream wants to be traded" to "Let's trade Dream" to "Let's trade him for a 1st round pick" to all of a sudden "heck, why don't we just trade stevie and cat?" WHY???? I say we keep everyone and see what happens at the END of the season. ------------------ Francis out top, 9 seconds on the clock, he gives a no look pass to Cuttino Mobley, 4 seconds left, Mobley passes to an open Langhi in the corner with 1 second left! Langhi at the buzzer.......YES!!! How Sweet It Is!!
Oh yes, here's post 100 on this topic. ------------------ Francis out top, 9 seconds on the clock, he gives a no look pass to Cuttino Mobley, 4 seconds left, Mobley passes to an open Langhi in the corner with 1 second left! Langhi at the buzzer.......YES!!! How Sweet It Is!! [This message has been edited by Rockets R' Us (edited October 28, 2000).]
Alright, I'll follow up a fellow SW Tiger poster. The only way I see Minnesota even thinking about giving up Garnett is if they get cap space (which has already been mentioned over and over) But the reason for getting the space wouldn't be to bring some other guys in--it would just be to save money. I mean if they're trading Garnett they're pretty much conceding that they can't be competitive anyway. This guy is THE future of the NBA. If I could start a franchise with anybody it would be KG without a doubt. So if they trade him I would just expect Glen Taylor to turn himself into Donald Sterling for five years and watch them become Clippers North with a VERY truncated payroll. ------------------
You guys are saying chicago would want dream because he would attract fans? If I'm not mistaken, Chicago has one of the best attendances, even when their team sucks. ------------------ Hakeem, Hasaw, Haconquered.
