Howard Dean's Message to the Troops: You Won't Win

I personally know two active military soldiers who are still stationed in Iraq. In once a week emails to them, I get the sense that they are fighting a losing battle and morale is very low. They literally count the number of days till they return, like inmates in a prison.

I've been to Iraq, before the occupation and after the occupation. I didnt have to carry an loaded weapon or travel with bodyguard prior to the seige.

 

Figures that would come from someone who doesn't believe or even bother responding to anyone who has a viewpoint different from yours. Its either an attack on the person who made the post or a random tangent but anything from actually engaging in a real argument

What no links? Then I dont beliieve you.

 

dont you know that truth and facts aren't relevant to these people?

 

I'm pretty fond of my current signature. It's got sentimental value. Please don't make me change it.

 

Didn't you vote for Bush twice? Come on, man. There's irony and then there's this.

 

This from a guy who runs away from a debate challenge and then declares himself the unanimous champion of the same debate. Sure, by your criteria we're totally winning! Just say it and it's so. Plug your ears, sing la la la, genuflect to your Bush poster and everything's A-OK. You are not just such a coward that you wouldn't go fight the fight you pretend to believe in, you are actually such a coward that you even accuse members here of lying and run away from a bet calling you to put your money where your mouth is. It is incredible, as a proud liberal, to be called out by the indisputable number one scaredy cat in the history of this board.

CLUCK CLUCK, Chicken_Jorge. CLUCK CLUCK.

 

pathetic doesn't begin to describe it, particularly when youdon't even know the history of who we're fighting.

Zarqawi came to iraq after we invaded afghanistan. how does dean think redeploying troops to afghanistan will help us fight zarqawi? a pathetic, dangerous, and completely incoherent policy.

 

Actually, I belieive him. This is the same guy who also said....

"The girls from Branson can go in and maybe get raped ... because they seem to like the excitement of it. There's always the thrill and possibility they'll be raped in a Dumpster while giving out a turkey sandwich." Sept 21 broadcast on KSFO-AM's.

On women "I'm beginning to think that women should be denied the vote. Their hormones rage; they are too emotional." (as quoted in San Jose Mercury News, Nov. 6, 1998)

On whites no longer being the majority in California "Now the liberals are celebrating, of course. They will soon find out they will be shoved aside so that the power can be taken by the Asians and the Hispanics."

On how this happened "With the population that has emerged, since they [Hispanics] breed like rabbits, in many cases the whites will become a minority in their own nation.... the white people don't breed as often for whatever reason. I guess many homosexuals are involved. That is also part of the grand plan, to push homosexuality to cut down on the white race."

Here is the link...

http://www.sfbg.com/News/34/51/51dissb.html

Reading the above quotes, I have do not think he would have any problem saying brown people should be rounded about.


Some other interesting things he had to say...

Michael Savage on the tsunami: "I wouldn't call it a tragedy. ... We shouldn't be spending a nickel on this"


Another link mentioning his rant is filled with hate with brown people being one targets...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/03/13/dell_shuns_microsofts_hateradio_toilet/


"The USA's fascination with vile-mouthed hatemongers causes dyed-in-the-wool Americanophiles (and I am one, so sue me) no end of difficulties. It's the safest, sweetest and most reasonable place in the world, then you realize that some people really get off on this, and the suburbs resonate to the sound of steering wheels being thumped in vigorous agreement with some toilet rant about the poor, or brown skinned people, or both.

 

In fairness to both sides I love it when posters screw up the brackets and [i[ accidentally[/i] have crappy looking posts.























in case you were wondering that was intentional.

 

Interesting...

Although I don't fully agree with everything he said, Dean had more ideas about how to conduct the war in one 5 minute radio interview than the no exit strategy president has had in 3 years.

Go figure

 

Thanks for the info, now I know what kind of guy that is. But don't expect any reply from those asked for links, coz they thanked you in advance. They always asked for links, once it's proved, they would label the link as partisan; when dismissed and further proved which wasn't the case, they will start another thread, or just ignore you. Two days later, they will come out claim victory. Four weeks after I first visited this bbs, I figured it out and confirmed it. You see, nobody would ever reply about the posts regarding Bush's "disgusting and aweful" words about not winning.

 

I think we should just go ahead and petition Clutch to change your moniker to Matt Santos.

 

Because these accomplishments were effected under a republican administration.

 

Howard Dean was right, that under our current leadership we can't win. We haven't won, and our own military believes that our presence in Iraq is making matters work.

Our President, himself, said that the war on terrorism was something that we would never win.

Of course Basso, Bigtexxxxxx, and run-away TJ, won't touch that one, but prefer to make their criteria for claiming we won't win, only apply to some people.

 

I have some friends in Iraq that i've only recently gotten in touch with thanks to my discovery of myspace of all things and guess what? These same things are going through their minds whether Dean says it or not. They are tough, smart people and you are selling them way short TJ. They aren't going to quit because our leaders disagree, and they aren't going to hang their heads because our leaders are asking the same questions they have themselves. They fight each day for each other and because it's their duty.

 

Michael Savage is on our local *flagship* talk show friggin' conservative radio 55KRC 7pm-10pm weekdays. Believe it or not, I used to listen to his program frequently when I drove back home from work, for pure entertainment purpose. This guy is as much as a sexist, homophobic, and racist you could find on public airwave. As a jingoist like other chickenhawks, he bashes John Kerry's military service, but never explained why he himself didn't enlist in military. Not exactly a typical Bible thumping redneck, he cries tirelessly the moral decay in the US, citing Biblical scriptures to justify his constant rumbling against the *liberals*. Ironically he doesn't talks about what the family values mean personally to him, who nonetheless got divorced but won't dare to cast a stone onto himself.

There are a fews things I do agree with him, though, his stance on environment being one.

 

No, because these accomplishments have been overshadowed by...

Torture and murder of prisoners in our custody...

Billions of dollars simply missing as a result of the lack of accounting...

The primary reasons for war being shown as utterly false...

Prewar plans that could have helped being trashed, just like their authors...


Some of us really don't care that it is a GOP administration that pushed for and subsequently mishandled this entire effort. If it were Clinton or Carter or JFK or even freaking FDR who did what Bush has done, I would be just as up in arms as I am against this war.

I was fully behind the war in Afghanistan, you know, where the terrorists actually lived, trained, and prepared to attack America. As has been admitted over and over by members of this administration and confirmed by several commissions, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and had no terrorists until we invaded.

Stop accusing other people of partisanship when you are really just pointing at the mirror.

 

so how about the terrorists now running around in Iraq killing Iraqi citizends and american troops?
and prisoners being tortured in secret prisons?
and lies to justify the war?
and no real plan for victory?

didn't they show up under a republican administration??

 

No no, the "good things" happened under a republican administration; while those not so cool things happened because of democrates' opposition, distraction, and terrorrist supporting views/actions, but the republican strong leadership kept that demage to a minimum impact. In other words, "We" are winning, and if there weren't liberals, "we" would be slam dunking