Howard Dean's Message to the Troops: You Won't Win

what an idiot howard dean is.........

 

I have a hard time believing he said that. Link?

 

you know his real name is michael weiner right?

somehow, i dont think calling your show the weiner nation is as macho as the SAVAGE NATION!

michael weiner.

seriously - look it up.

 

In German that would be pronounced, "VINE-air"

 

No American actually wants that scenario of USA losing to play out,, but truth is against what we are hoping for, and all mr yeehaw did was point it out.



surely mr terrorist read what howard dean have to say about the USA's war. For them, or any other middle easterner, he is just another American. Heck, they couldnt even name our secretary of state, or defense.

 

"I don't think you can win it," Mr. Bush said of the war on terror in August. In an interview on NBC's "Today" show, he said, “I think you can create conditions so that . . . those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/28/politics/main646142.shtml

Two days after 9/11, President Bush declared: "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our No. 1 priority, and we will not rest until we find him."

Six months later, laying political groundwork for the Iraq war, the president said: "I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/192828_joel29.html

for once, i couldnt agree more with you!

 

well this aint germany. this is america! you obviously hate amer'ca and should just go live in france so you can be closer to your beloved "germans".

 

smells like hypocracy...

In 1999, George W. Bush criticized President Clinton for not setting a timetable for exiting Kosovo, and yet he refuses to apply the same standard to his war.

George W. Bush, 4/9/99:

“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”

And on the specific need for a timetable, here’s what Bush said then and what he says now:

George W. Bush, 6/5/99

“I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”

VERSUS

George W. Bush, 6/24/05:

“It doesn’t make any sense to have a timetable. You know, if you give a timetable, you’re — you’re conceding too much to the enemy.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/28/in-1999-bush-demanded-a-timetable/

 

he was on a rant on his radio show and made that comment. It went along the lines of its impossible to trust who is with us and who is against us so for our collective safety we should just intern brown people ala japanese internment of WWII.

 

Well, now that we are all seemingly in agreement with regards to:
The "strawman" tatical use of the term immediately;
The fact that both former President Clinton's and GWB's exit strategy were found wanting.
How much do the Dems really differ with the Republicans as far as troop deployment is concerned? Seriously.

Anyway, I would propose that we are, to a very large degree, winning . Saddam was removed of power. We took control of the country. We are now giving control back to the elected officials and the Iraqi service members. How is this not winning?

 

Where's the link?

Making stuff up and/or embellishing is bad, my friend.

 

Please. You're taking Bush's comments out of context.

Black, gooey, SUV-powering, plastic-producing, price-gouging, context.

 

The people of Iraq, are less safe now than when Saddam was in power. They didnt have to worry suicide bombers or related attacks. They used to have basic commodities like electricity when Saddam was in power. Their oil pipeline was running. Their hospitals were running. They didnt have foreigners in their country. (including Zarqawi).

On the American side, if we were winning by such a wide margin, then why do the majority of American citizens want to pull out. Does it have to do with the 2000+ soldiers who have died. Almost as many as 9-11. Why are oil prices so high, if we were going to get cheap Iraqi oil? Why does the world hate us?

 

how the hell can i give you a link when i heard this on his radio show last year?

 

Maybe you have access to some of the stories I've never heard of. Tell me how US troops *sacrifice* themselves for the benefit of the Iraqi people. Please provide valid links to your stories. Thanks in advance.

 

Is it tyranny for security then?

 

then I don't believe you

 

wow, you surely can't be this ignorant. Turn off Air America and tune into reality, please.

 

I wholly agree the troops are helping Iraqis, with the good deeds you just said. However, they don't sound like *sacrifice* to me -- they are more or less inline with the job descriptions of peacekeeping troops. Sacrifices are beyond these routines -- they involve high stakes, and more often than not, are selfless and courageous in nature. Acts of sacrifices win hearts and minds of Iraqis - the occupied and the conquered - more than anything else does. That's what I am looking for.