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How would you build a team to beat Miami, OKC or SAS?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Carl Herrera, May 30, 2014.

  1. Jontro

    Jontro Member

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    You would have to start by getting better uniforms.
     
  2. RedRedemption

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    We need a big three. Flat out need a big three or this team is going nowhere. Spurs, Thunder, Heat. All of them have three big impact players.
     
  3. VanityHalfBlack

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    1-Lin
    2-Yi
    3-Scalbrine
    4-zhizhi
    5-Yao
     
  4. RocketsJumer

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    Honestly, the Rockets have the skeleton outline to beat all three teams. Other than the Clippers, the Rockets are the closest to having the team to beat any of those 3 team in a playoff series.

    Against the Spurs; you need a dominate big man to control the paint, 3 point shooting and athletism to out run them. As we saw in the season series, the Rockets played their best ball against them and had advantages at those three areas. Dwight/Omer closed the paint, our three point shooting was above league average and we put ran them for easy buckets all game.

    Against the Heat; you need big man production, the ability to hit three pointers at an above average rate and defenders to make Lebron and Wade's job harder. In the season series, the Rockets hit all three points pretty well. We did lack defenders/scheme against Lebron/Wade. Hence why the games were very close and could have gone either way.

    Against the Thunder; you need great three point shooting, defenders to make things difficult for KD/Westbrook, and athletism to match theirs. In our one win against them this season, we hit all three points very well. Our three point shooting was on point, KD had 25 points on 20+ shots and we were able to run for easier buckets. You don't need amazing big man production but your big men have to be solid. A big reason why we lost the overall series is because Howard was a no show for all of the games. For some reason, he could not capitalize on matchups versus Adams, Ibaka or Perkins. That's is pretty troubling. Then add that Harden usually has horrid games against his former team.

    Bottom line; to beat those three teams you need solid big man production, three point shooting and defenders to make their perimeter players work. The Rockets have all those points. Even our defense seems to pick up in games against those teams. We still need to improve though, obviously. But we are built to beat those three teams.
     
  5. daywalker02

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    or big bucks should be spend and not talked.

    No further decisions should be made because of how much money a player brings but how good he is (that is linsane)
     
  6. Firebomb525

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    They're unbeatable.

    No point in bothering with it. Just wait until Lebron and co. retire.
     
  7. Rocket River

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    Dominate POINT Guard. Miami is vunerable there
    You need to keep pace with Parker and Westbrook
    make them work

    Rocket River
     
  8. KillScarz

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    Heat are weak at PG spot, but the East are really weak at the PGs at the moment: k.Irving, Wall, Rondo.. The rest are either blossoming, unable to take a game over, or broken down.
    The West is loaded. However, last time (I remember) a PG was dominating vs Heat, they threw LeBron and DWade at him. That PG was Rose, just had received the MVP award(correct me if I'm wrong on just had) and they made him look like a scrub.
    They aren' immortal. But they are LeBrons Heat
     
  9. Rocket River

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    Agreed. However - Rose did not have Harden on one side and Howard downlow

    It is not ONE or the other. . . you need to be STRONG where they are weak
    To me
    That is 1 and 5

    Having 2 that can compete with DWade means that it is Lebron on the PG
    which would leave Who to guard Parsons? Bosh?

    Rocket River
     
  10. VBG

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    To beat the Heat and Thunder you have to be disciplined and have low turnovers. A solid guard who can break down the defense and make good passes. Having a good big man who can make the Heat play big helps slow down their offense as well. It also makes them expend a lot more energy defensively.
     
  11. Nick_713

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    For OKC, you need a center too big for Ibaka, and a power forward that can force him away from the hoop. (Kevin Love)

    For SAS, you need athleticism, speed, and a rim protector that can't have the above done to him. (our current roster???)

    For Miami, you need bigs (our present roster???)

    For all teams, you need someone capable of creating their own shot, and you probably need two or three excellent outside shooters (and a Head Coach who maximizes the talent we already have and makes adjustments during games, not just game-to-game adjustments).
     
  12. sugrlndkid

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    For OKC you need a center that will make them pay for having Perkins guard you...

    For the Heat, you just need a rim protector...

    For the Spurs, you need athleticism...

    One such player did exist...unfortunately I need a time machine to go back and get Hakeem Olajuwon...
     
  13. solid

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    This is it, exactly it, and Lin or Beverly are not enough. Bev would be worth keeping for instant defense off the bench, but a starter he is not. Neither is Lin. We need a consistent three point shooter. I would love Conley if he becomes available.
     
  14. Carl Herrera

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    Westbrook did have Durant, Harden and Ibaka and they lost to Miami 1-4.

    San Antonio also lost with Tony Parker running with Tim Duncan, Manu, Kawhi & Co.

    Frankly, positions are overrated. It's not like Miami can't handle good PGs.

    Chalmers and Cole are fine as defenders. Wade and James can and have also guarded opposing PGs when needed. Miami has sat both of their regular PGs and just played additional shooting wings in the PGs place (Ray Allen, Mike Miller in prior years) and have Lebron or Wade handle the PG duty on both ends of the court.

    The one positional thing that may work is Miami doesn't quite have the size (other than Birdman?) to handle a big burly center who can bully their front line for inside scores and offensive boards, but there aren't many of those anyway.
     
  15. jbasket

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    I don't think it matters what type of guard it is, honestly. The Heat just casually put Lebron on him if it is troublesome (ala Derrick Rose and TP).

    With TP and Westbrook, give me the defensive-minded PG. The question is to build a roster to counter 3 teams, not just the heat.

    However, it is clear that a dominant center is the building block, given the weaknesses of all three rosters at that position.
     
  16. Carl Herrera

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    I see how Miami has trouble with a truly elite C, but OKC and SAS can handle a great opposing C defensively. Perkins, for all his faults, is a solid low-post defender, they also have Adams to bang the bigs and Ibaka to come in for weak-side help. For San Antonio, Splitter is fine defensively and Duncan is still a top defender against big centers.

    Not to say that you don't want talented big guys, though, against any team. I just think that with the Spurs and OKC, a strictly low-post banger (Dwight, Pekovic) wouldn't be as useful as someone more versatile offensively like Bosh or Love.
     
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  17. Scolalist

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    No they aren't. What they are lacking in comparison to those other teams is better role players and a deep bench. Granted upgrading the starting PG and PF spots and relegating Bev and TJ too the bench will improve their depth off the bench as Beverley and Jones could outplay those second units.

    Gotta move Asik and Lin and spend that money wisely on Lowry and a 3 and D type wing like Sefolosha/Bradley/Tucker and then replace the D you lose from Asik with Hawes using the MLE. Get involved sending a first to a team and some of these non-guaranteed vet contracts (Casspi, Hamilton, Powell)in a Love/Carmelo/Dirk/Randolph/Etc deal and get back a good starting PF like Green or Gibson, etc.

    Lowry/Bev/Caanan
    Harden/Daniels/BAE on a defender
    Parsons/Sefolosha/Garcia
    Gibson/Jones/Covington
    D12/Hawes/Motiejunas

    Lowry and Gibson bring D and Lowry is a nice third option shooting, leadership and toughness
    Sefolosha brings D, 3 point shooting and experience
    Hawes fills Asik's role not as well but still would be amongst the best C reserves in the league.
     
  18. plutoblue11

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    A dominant center on offense and defense.

    You give an average NBA playoff team...a prime Dream, Shaq, or Wilt could beat all 3 teams.
     
  19. Liberon

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    Scal could out muscle and score on Zhi and Yi with no trouble 99/100... :p
     
  20. Rocket River

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    We get a dominate guard. . .with harden . . . putting lebron on him may slow him down but we could then utilize the other peices.

    Most times when Lebron and them play a dominant guard. . .the rest of the team is crap

    They could do that to rose because the bulls were offensively crap
    What is the STRONGEST offensive team they played?

    The reason they struggle with The Spurs was exactly because lebron has to cover parker
    then Ginobili/duncan/unknown someone goes off on them

    Rocket River
     

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