I was talking about his entire career. Last year was the ONLY year he's averaged less than 14.4 ppg/7.0 rpg, with the exception of the 99/00 season. For his career, he's averaged 17.2/7.3 per game. He's averaged between 17-19 ppg & 7-8 rpg every year of his 11 year career, with the exception of last year & the 99/00 year. If you'll remember, he was learning a new system & wasn't getting the minutes he needed to get in a groove. Once he started playing more & understood the system better, he started thriving & subsequently, the team started playing much better. But, I guess you forgot that part. Here's the link to his career stats, if you don't believe me. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/juwan_howard/index.html
Nobody has to drill anything into my head, I have a pair of eyes and a brain and I know that Marbury is bad news. Screw him, we don't need him. Notice how Phoenix started to kick @ss AFTER getting a real PG? Hmmmm. . .
I wasn't making an argument. All I did was post team stats for his NBA career and said draw your own conclusions. One could probably pull up similar stats about Shareef Abdur-Rahim, but he's not going to be making $19 mill a year so nobody cares as much.
Hahaha, you've restarted this Juwan Howard debate! I knew there was something to talk about this off season. Someone told me Juwan would average 17 with the Rockets this year, did he? Juwan started playing better, but even at his best, he's not going to EVER average 17pts on this team. Juwan is just a bandage on this team. We need an athletic power forward who can rebound. Juwan's role on this team is basically hit open 15 footers. That's it.
And Minnesota has kept winning since Marbury left, so maybe it had more to do with Garnett then Marbury. As far as the Raptors comparison, one good run doesn't mean anything. Toronto hasn't done squat since. Marbury's teams have barely done anything since. Meanwhile McGrady has only missed the playoffs once during that stretch I believe. He's consistent. Meanwhile Orlando and Toronto have fallen off the face of the earth in the time since he left. Bottomline, do you REALLY believe that Marbury will be happy to be the #3 guy on a team? Really?
During the month & a half (17 games) prior to his injury, he averaged 12.0 ppg & 7.94 rpg. So, I guess you're right on the ppg average for last year, but he was getting stronger as each game passed & Yao/McGrady were trusting him more to nail the open shot. Thus, he would've gotten more open looks as the year went on. Coincidentally, the team went 13-4 during that stretch.
Marbury to any other team definitely belongs on the fantasy boards as long as Zeke is running the Knicks, this was his signature move and he's not about to abandon it while he is in charge. He got rid of Kurt Thomas purportedly because Kurt and Marbury didn't get along. Speaking of Kurt Thomas, CD needs to make a bold move like the Suns trade. Bryan Colangelo is doing a teriffic job as GM of the Suns bringing in numbers of impact players like KT, Q and Nash. CD needs to be daring this offseason, lets get SAR or Swift and trade for a guy like Bonzi Wells who has question marks but would be a bold move.
I would take on Starbury for spare parts if his contract were lower. At the very least JVG would get him to play well enough to make him attractive trade bait. But he does make a ton of money. And NY isn't going to give him away for our spare parts(at least, I don't think they would, lol). So it's just another worthless hypothetical.
McGrady is a franchise player - Marbury is not. McGrady had his best year this season under JVG. There's a right situation for every player. My point was that Marbury doesn't make his teams any worse like the conventional wisdom would suggest, and he certainly made Minnesota better the second he went there. Of course Minnesota was kept winning since Marbury's departure - they were able to replace him with equal value in the persons of Terrel Brandon and Wally Sczerbiak. Do I really belive Marbury would be happy as the #3 guy on a team? I don't know but I do know that JVG was able to get a guy one year removed from choking his coach to agree to come off the bench and like it. Marbury has only had one good coach in his entire career, Flip Saunders, and he excelled in that situation. I am of the opinion that a coach can't hold a great player from becoming great (contrary to the sentiment of YOF's), but a great coach can make an already good to great player even better. And I think JVG is a great coach. This is all a moot point anyways because I wasn't aware that he was due 19 million or whatever. But setting that aside, if he was at say 10million, sure I wouldn't mind having him penetrating through opposing defenses.
I would rather have a screaming case of jock itch!!!!!!!! Just say NO. If JVG could not put up with the franchise, what would he do with me, myself, and Marbury!!
Where has this $19 million come from? He's only due $16.5 million this year. While that's still a significant amount of money for your 3rd option, it's pretty much in line with the production he's given throughout his career (20+ ppg/8+ apg). If NY would take James/Spoon(expiring contract)/Wesley(expiring contract)/#24 pick for Marbury/#30 pick, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Although, I expect the Rockets to go hard after Antonio Daniels in free agency, trading for Marbury would allow us to use the MLE on an athletic PF like Swift or Reggie Evans from Seattle. Or, perhaps Donyell Marshall or Chris Anderson. We might even be able to split it between 2 players like Anderson & Raja Bell. If Marbury could be had for a reasonable price, I'd do it.
I am a Marbury HATER. But if money wasn't a problem I would trade for him in a second, as the third best player on a team he can be a winner, heck as the second best player on a team he can be a winner. He's been suffering through the same thing Francis suffers throught, being the best player on a team and being a PG, probably the most difficult position to dominate from in basketball. I mean, unless you're an MVP canidate type PG like Kidd and Nash, which they are not you won't win much if you don't have better teammates. You put him on the Rockets and JVG gets him to sacrifice and dig in on defense and you'd have yourself the best one, two, THREE combo the NBA has seen in years. We're talking about having the most talented PG, SF, and C in the NBA on one team! Now getting them to do everything it takes to win is another story, who knows if it'd work, but I'd risk it if I were the Rockets. This ain't ever happening though.
Marbury's salary the next 4 years: $16.5MM, $18.3MM, $20.1MM, $21.9MM. Averages to $19.2MM. Whoever becomes our 3rd option will not average 20 ppg. No 3rd option is worth this salary. Unless he has a breakthrough/allworld year next season, Marbury is almost untradeable and the Knicks are stuck with him.
Marbury doesn't want to be the third option. He doesn't want to be the second option. He wants to be the number one guy, and get all the recognition. He's somewhat like Iverson. He'll make one-dimensional role players look better, because he'll spoonfeed them the ball and create shots for them. But he'll make scorers look worse, because he won't allow them to create for themselves. Why do you think Joe Johnson, a ballhandling, playmaking wing player improved so much when Marbury was traded? Marbury gets too much hate from this board, but the fact remains that he doesn't play good defense, he's overpaid, and he hogs the ball.
17pts per game on losing teams. YES 17pts per game on ANY WINNING TEAM? NO Though, my criticism of Juwan has been harsh, he has adapted well and learned by being on the Rockets that he's not a great player, just a role player. And as long as he can hit from 15 ft I'm happy he's on this team.
Not no, but Hell No! Marbury makes way too much! That is all we need a disgruntled Stephon! He always wanted to play for the Knicks as a kid in Brooklyn. I thought we traded a shoot first, turnover prone, And1 player last year!
