You mean the season where two starters were suspended for coming off the bench because their teammate was hip checked into the fan? Or do you not know the history of that team and just know the stat that they lost? Rocket River
QUESTION: How much better would our players be on other teams? Since they sucking because of Harden and the offense .. . .what would they be doing elsewhere? Rocket River I suspect we will Trade Hartenstein and he will be a starter in 2~3 yrs
How has Phoenix done since MDA left? They haven't been relevant since. I hate making excuses for MDA but a BS suspension cost him a title in Phoenix, and an injury cost him in Houston. No other coach in the NBA took GS to a game 7 with Durant, but MDA did. Our efficiency has been off of the charts under MDA based on any advanced metrics. I hope the new guy they bring in can keep that up. I'll use the classic clutch fans argument for MDA as well. We didn't win a title because we faced the greatest team ever assembled. Fans use the argument for Harden, so I will use it MDA as well. Context matters.
I am being repeatedly told that If Harden moved more . . . if the offense was more ball movement They would be better I am sure their is evidence of that somewhere Rocket River
We are not playing team ball right now. It starts with James. It seems like he is too tired to drive the ball and break the defense down. Instead, he just tries to cross his man and do the step-back 3. We need to stop worrying about the refs because the calls will not go our way. This season is us against the world.
If we can't get 2nd seed, we will dont have cha5to get champion this year especially without warriors
they would have a significantly better coach with actual schemes and roles beyond “stand and watch Harden”, so yeah, they’d be better elsewhere.
Was BMac better with a significantly better coach with actual schemes and roles, or this year under MDA? How did House look with GS? How about Rivers in Washington? They all had better coaches and schemes right? Why were they out of the league? Serious question.
They wouldn’t. Outside of rivers who turned down other teams, the actual bench a collection of minimums, were plucked off the street after being dumped when no other teams wanted them
well the average cf thinks every player signed on this team is better than they actually are. i mean dudes were really making the case for guys like mcw being good.
No worries, personally, like i said, there's obviously a problem caused by the moves we made in order to save money etc, that's clear and the most important thing which unfortunately isn't something we can solve. And while i don't really love Mike, i'm not sure if/what we can get out there that will be better than him for this team and Harden/Westbrook specifically. It's just that i also don't like how Mike doesn't trust his bench, he was still riding 8 guys when we actually had a nice bench, and as today, i would bet my ass that a guy like Hartenstein would still get consistent minutes if he was playing for Bud or Pop, just like players like Poeltl and Bender are getting so, let's also not act like Mike doesn't have his habits and our young players are/were complete trash compared to those on other teams. I can give a pass on Connaughton since he already played ok with Portland so he was actually more proven once he got in Milwaukee, but with Wilson and Brown (but i could name other players from other teams), it was all about Bud giving them a chance, they have size/athleticism sure, they're also meh shoters (tbh i think Wilson isn't even good), and you know how that would end up here, or better, if Mike was coaching the Bucks, they would end up benched with Mike riding his classic 8 men rotation. Then sure, if you give Mike guys like Green and Grant off the bench that would be great, but again, let's not act like every other team has that kind guys coming off the bench, we're talking about Denver, Clippers...those are probably the only two teams i can think of that have really a deep and full of quality bench, like 2/3 players that could probably start on a lot of teams, maybe the Lakers too, but that's not the norm. Some teams built their bench through developing young players too (think about the Raptors and the Bucks), that's not happening here, and it's also on the coach.
He might not be, he has been for 3 years so far. But if what you're saying turns out to be true well, it would be because of Bud giving him playing time, not because of his coach (Mike) keeping him (Hartenstein) glued on the bench.
I also think Bennett would have had a chance, if the Rockets or another team gave him one, he is like 26 or 27 now? Dragan just needs to shoot well enough, that is all he has to do, invest in a shooting coach. He's got a spot, I mean even if NBA does not pan out for him, like Jan Vessely, there is always Europe or China.
Yeah they havent been relevant since cuz they had an 8 year run. It's not like MDA left when they were at their peak and the team just crumbled lol. He left when they were starting to suck cuz Nash was old already when he arrived in PHX and he stayed there and made them good for 8 years. PHX has sucked since then cuz Steve Kerr who was their consultant and brought in guys like Marion and Nash left and went to GSW. That just shows you the GMing is what made the Suns great and not the coach. If the coach is what made them great then they wouldnt have sucked and MDA wouldnt have left. That's just false credit grabbing by the pro MDA crowd. You are right context matters and the context is MDA is not a good tactical coach. He is prone to overplaying his best 7 guys to get that W and he routinely gets outcoached by smarter coaches like Spoelstra, Popovich, Budeholzer, Stevens etc. MDA is like a "personality" coach like Tyron Lue or Doc Rivers you will get little to no actual coaching from him. That's his context so to attribute the offense increase to him when James Harden is the one doing the hard carrying is just credit grabbing. When we won the best record in the season we had Chris Paul, James Harden, Ariza, Tucker and Gordon all in their prime just ask yourself how much coaching is needed to coach that group? Doesnt that group practically coach themselves? You really think Cp3 will follow MDA's orders? Cmon man I know you love MDA but don't lie to yourself and give the credit of James Harden to MDA. Like I said is MDA a bad coach? No. When the Rox were struggling after Dwight left he was the perfect coach to get everyone excited about the team again. But if your goal is to actually win a ring not just improve the team season record then he isnt the best coach for the job. If we fired MDA right now and hired JB Bickerstaff do you think Harden's efficiency would drop? It's not like he will forget how to score and shoot the ball if MDA isnt the coach lol. There isnt any "secret sauce" to what the Rox do it is literally everybody go to the T formation and then let Harden ISO. Every other posession WB runs the ball and tries to make something happen. That's the Rox game plan everyone knows it even the opponents.
Yes and keep cheering on MDA man, he'll be gone after the season. Keep cheering Tucker at center too, we are 0-2 so far so I guess it is working as intended...
What game where you watching?? Harden gave up the ball all night, he was getting dude WIDE open shots. They just couldn’t hit crap.
