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How Systemic Racism and Implicit Bias Affects African Americans

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  1. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
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    So the real issue is that
    @pgabriel has a bigger house than Jaggy’s
     
  2. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
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    @pgabriel is the fist of the Norh Star
    And Jaggy is ...Jaggy

     
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    I stand with the dude with Otis Thorpe as his avatar

    you people who don’t know Otis Thorpe are with Jaggy

    I get it
    @pgabriel
     
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    Turley on a black police officer's defamation suit against the NFL for a fatal police shooting he was involved in:

    "Indianapolis Police Officer Sues NFL For Defamation in Anti-Racism Campaign":

    https://jonathanturley.org/2021/06/...s-nfl-for-defamation-in-anti-racism-campaign/

    excerpt:

    There is an interesting lawsuit out of Indiana where Indianapolis Metro Police Department Officer De’Joure Mercer is suing the National Football League (NFL) for defamation after the NFL claimed that his shooting of an African American man was due to “systemic racism.” (Officer Mercer is also African American).The suspect, Dreasjon Reed, reportedly fired repeatedly at Mercer before he killed him — a shooting found to be justified by a review board. A special prosecutor also announced that a grand jury rejected any charges against Mercer.

    The complaint below details how Reed stole a handgun from a pawn shop in Texas and livestreamed himself committing a “drive-by” shooting in which he fired the stolen handgun blindly into buildings as he drove past.

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    On Sept. 11, 2020, the NFL published a video a part of its “Say Their Stories” campaign featuring Reed. During the video, the NFL also mentioned the NFL would honor the “victims of social injustice” by wearing their names on their hats and helmets and tell their stories including Reed.

    What is striking is that the NFL knew all of this. Jim Irsay, the owner of the NFL’s Indianapolis Colts, is quoted in the complaint as saying that the NFLE’s Tweet and Facebook Publication contained “misinformation.” Likewise, various law enforcement officials objected to the inclusion of Reed as one of those “honored” as a victim of systemic racism.

    The NFL under Commissioner Roger Goodell ignored the objections or the harm to Officer Mercer. On Dec. 16, 2020, the NFL tweeted a caption and picture of Reed, noting Reed was “one of the many individuals being honored by players and coaches this season through the NFL’s helmet decal program.” A Facebook post with the same photo and caption was also posted to the NFL’s page on the same day.

    As a result of this ill-informed campaign, Mercer received death threats, including a “wanted” poster with Mercer’s image on it. His picture was circulated online.

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    The NFL could claim that no one would confuse a public anti-racism campaign with a source of factual discourse as opposed to opinion on such shootings. It is of course an embarrassing defense in light of the obvious premise of the campaign. The NFL was clearly launching the campaign to convey the fact of systemic racism in such police shootings. It would now have to argue that such cases are merely opinion and could be false.

    While the NFL should be roundly condemned for the inclusion of the case, this will likely be a challenging defamation case. However, while novel, it is not frivolous. The court will have to address the line between opinion and fact in this context. The question is whether the NFL could be viewed as stating as a fact that this was a racist shooting. It is not enough to simply state “this is just my opinion” if it is followed by what sounds like an asserted fact.

    There are countervailing free speech concerns in allowing people (including corporations) to be sued for viewing such shootings in a different light from the police or review boards. For example, what is the difference between this and a columnist writing an article that the shooting was part of a pattern of racism? The NFL did not state any false facts other than its highly (and legitimately) contested conclusion. It did not state that Reed was unarmed or did not fire at Mercer. It simply viewed the shooting as part of the systemic racism in our society.

    In my view, the inclusion of the Reed case was not just “misinformation” but reckless and wrong. The NFL knew or should have known that the claim was false. Moreover, the impact on Officer Mercer was obvious as the officer responsible for what the NFL suggested was a racist shooting. It “honored Reed” and by implication condemned Mercer. The only question is whether this is actionable as a matter of torts. The odds favor the NFL but this could prove an interesting and important case exploring the limits of an opinion defense.

    Here is the complaint: Mercer-complaint
    more at the link
     
  7. tinman

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    @pgabriel is smarter than Jaggy
    This is inequality
    Something happened like Jaggy fell asleep in math class because he stood up all night trying to sing Mariah Carey songs
     
  8. tinman

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    Jaggy is like a worse shooting Ben Simmons
    @pgabriel is Clint Capela dunk on that roll of Charmin

    @Os Trigonum
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    But here in lies your flaw in understanding what systemic racism is. System racism doesn't say the police officer is racist but rather the way the police is structured is inherently discriminatory towards minorities. The proof is in the data vs a particular singular act. For example, blacks get longer sentences than whites for the same crime and similar criminal histories. Why? There's no reason than that other than the color of their skin. The proof is there, but who is to blame is actually much harder to identify. That's why it's called systemic.

    The goal of systemic racism and CRT isn't to label one group racist - it's to understand the processes that lead to the injustices to facilitate change.
     
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    @pgabriel well one thing I found that Jaggy can beat you at is a RuPaul impersonator contest

    @Os Trigonum
     
  11. pgabriel

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    I know that's what systemic racism says. So you don't have to find particular instances of racism. That's my point. Its a cheap easy way to blame racism without actual proof.

    Oh the police department has a system that is racist with its "collection" of polices instead of proof of an actual racist policy.

    Don't know why you're quoting months later to have same argument
     
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    The system caused him to reply late to this thread
     
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    Of course there is proof - I just provided an example.
     
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    Smart Kids > Dumb Kids
    @pgabriel > Jaggy

     
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Sentencing is decided by individual judges. Each sentence is its own unique circumstance

    When judges gp outside sentencing guidelines there is a 20% difference in sentence length. When staying within guidelines there is 7% difference. We are talking sentence lengths, 7% isn't a big difference. The difference between 10 and 11 years kid 10%
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Proof for systemic racism for @pgabriel and @tinman - I know yall won't read it but this is my last try.


    - African-American prisoners who were convicted of murder are about 50% more likely to be innocent than other convicted murderers and spend longer in prison before exoneration

    - Once convicted, Black men receive prison sentences that are nearly 20% longer than white men for similar crimes

    - Black men raised in the top 1% — by millionaires — were as likely to be incarcerated as white men raised in households earning about $36,000

    - Eighty to 90% of the arrests for breaking social distancing rules in New York City were of Blacks or Latinos

    - Black students were more than three times as likely to attend schools where fewer than 60% of teachers meet all state certification and licensure requirements. Latino students were twice as likely to attend such schools

    - Nonwhite districts received $23 billion less in funding than their predominantly white counterparts in 2016

    - Schools in mainly white neighborhoods received $2,200 more per student than nonwhite schools in the school year 2015-2016. This economic segregation correlates to educational outcomes

    - African-Americans and Latinos are more likely to attend high-poverty schools than Asian-Americans and Caucasians

    - More than half of the nation’s schoolchildren are in racially concentrated districts, where over 75% of students are either white or nonwhite

    - In 1980, college-educated black women with more work experience actually earned slightly higher wages than college-educated white women with the same experience. By 2014, however, the gap had widened to 10% in white women’s favor

    - Approximately, 12.4% of African-American college graduates between the ages of 22 and 27 were unemployed in 2013, which is more than double the rate of unemployment among all college graduates in the same age range

    - On average, white applicants receive 36% more callbacks than Black applicants with similar qualifications

    - Covid-19-spurred job losses are disproportionately impacting Latino, Asian and Black workers, who make up the majority of the workforce in the hospitality, tourism and service industries, which have borne the largest economic brunt of the pandemic so far

    - While people of color make up 39% of the U.S. population, their businesses receive access to less than 5% of Fortune 100 contracts and less than 2% of government contracts

    - Whites in the US have access to $142K in “friends and family round” investment for their ventures, compared to African Americans who receive access to merely $11K

    - Apparently, 2.2% of Black firms start with $100,000 or more of capital compared with 8.5% of white, non-Hispanic firms. Only 3.5% of Latino firms start with $100,000 or more in capital

    - Only 6.6% of Black firms received business loans from banking or commercial lending institutions. Nearly twice that percentage of white firms received bank loans for startup capital

    - While whites largely cause air pollution, Blacks and Latinos are more likely to breathe it in

    - Non-Hispanic whites had the lowest exposure rates for 11 of the 14 pollutants monitored in a recent study. Meanwhile, Hispanics had the highest exposure rates for 10 out of the 14 pollutants, and African Americans had higher exposure rates than whites for 13 out of the 14 pollutants

    - Black children are twice as likely to have asthma as white children. And Black children are 10 times more likely than white kids to die of complications from asthma

    - A CDC study determined that 11.2% of African American children and 4% of Mexican-American children are poisoned by lead, compared with 2.3% of white children

    - The cancer death rate for African-Americans is 25 % higher than whites, and Hispanics and Latinos are more likely to be diagnosed with cancer at a late, and more dangerous, stage of the disease

    - A Black child who gets acute lymphoblastic leukemia is 43 % more likely to die than a white child with the same cancer. With economic status taken into account, the child would be only 17% more likely to die. Overall, socioeconomic status explained 44% of the disparity between Black and white children. It also explained disparities for Hispanic children

    - Black people seeking testing or treatment for COVID-19 were six times more likely to be turned away than whites

    - Research shows that when a neighborhood becomes more than 10% Black, home values decrease

    - People of color continue to endure rampant discrimination in the housing market: 17% of Native Americans, 25% of Asian Americans, 31% of Latinos, and 45% of African Americans report experiencing discrimination when trying to rent or buy housing. By contrast, just 5% of white Americans report experiencing housing discrimination

    - One study found that homes in Black neighborhoods were undervalued by an average of $48,000 due to racial bias, resulting in $156 billion in cumulative losses nationwide

    - In 2012, white and black “homebuyers” (in fact actors) were sent to 8,000 randomly selected realtors. Black home-seekers were shown 18% fewer homes

    - African Americans make up 40 % of the homeless population despite only representing 13% of the general population

    - Thirty-nine percent of African-American children and adolescents and 33% of Latino children and adolescents are living in poverty, which is more than double the 14% poverty rate for non-Latino, White, and Asian children and adolescents

    - White families have nearly 10 times the net worth of Black families, meaning White children enter the world with access to 10 times the inherited wealth

    - According to one study, Blacks with at least a college degree still had about 30% less wealth than whites without a college degree—$57,250 compared with $81,650, respectively

    - The average Black wealth in 2016 was still about one-third less than it was before the start of the Great Recession—$102,477 compared with $154,557. Over the same period, average white wealth grew by about 15%—from $815,063 in 2007 to $935,584 in 2016

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/100-statistics-prove-systemic-racism-thing-kelly-burton-phd/
     
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    I am talking in aggregate, which should average out over time.
     
  19. pgabriel

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    @Sweet Lou 4 2

    When judges gp outside sentencing guidelines there is a 20% difference in sentence length. When staying within guidelines there is 7% difference. We are talking sentence lengths, 7% isn't a big difference. The difference between 10 and 11 years kid 10%
     
  20. pgabriel

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    Schools are locally funded. This is a wealth issue. Wealthier districts have better resources
     

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