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How Systemic Racism and Implicit Bias Affects African Americans

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  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    It's not about working harder. Get tired of you guys simplifying my arguments.

    It's about understanding hard work, having goals, preparation can lead to improvements in life.

    People in the inner city have to work hard. That's not the issue. They aren't sitting at home starving.
     
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    I was only talking about the gap. Not the rest of the discussion.
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    @f

    The gap was smaller than it is now. So you still don't understand the context. I'm making the it was smaller, what's the reason?
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Having parents involved in their kids education isn't about hard work. It's about understanding your responsibility in your fate
     
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    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    And that's the part you don't understand about poverty and relative differences.

    When comparing two seperate population pools that have drastic outcome differences and one population pool has signficantly higher homeownership rates living in far more well off neighborhoods that can afford things like a full time stay at home parent and expensive day care, those kids will have advantages such as having access to inherited property, better schools, more time spent with them from their parents etc.

    Poor kids regardless of race usually have more burdens placed on them such as helping raise younger siblings because poorer people usually have to work longer odd hours with less flexibility because less hours might mean not being able to pay rent or enough groceries for the month. Therefore kids in these poor inner city neighborhoods have less time to ponder their future and make these plans because the present presents enough obstacles to consume their time while kids in well off suburbs have less issues to worry about where they have more time to care about their future and academic success.

    Humans have finite time constraints. Poor kids times are more consumed on everyday struggles than kids in well off neighborhoods, therefore they have less time to worry about their academic success and their futures because the present presents enough challenges to them.
     
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    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    Oh you mean a race that has far higher homeownership rates where they don't have to pay rent months and worry about eviction if they don't can afford having a full time stay at home parent that doesn't have to work 50+ hours just to make sure rent, groceries, utilities, healthcare and gas requirements are met for the month?

    How surprising. I'm absolutely shocked.
     
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    Yes, the gap was smaller. There are many reasons. But removing that stat from context doesn't broaden understanding, it weakens the understanding.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Actually the gap has increased since your claim of the 30s. White homeonership rates increased signficantly sincere the 30s.l while black homeonership rates either increased slightly or stagnated or at worse dipped because they were given the brunt of subprime mortgages and we're the hardest hit in foreclosures in 2008.
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Bro momma's on welfare have plenty of time with kids. Such a false narrative these women are working too much
     
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    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    Dude there is a large population of black families that aren't in dire poverty to the point of welfare but still are poor enough where they are living paycheck to paycheck, with their parents or parent having to work 50+ hours a week just do they can beet the Barr requirements of rent, utilities etc.
     
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  11. malakas

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    How can a high school dropout construction worker who gets back home at 9pm dead tired from 12 hours manual labor get involved with his kids education?

    Of course there are many that are. But also many more who aren't and who can blame them.
     
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  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Exactly the gap increseas racism decreased that's my point

    You are saying blacks generational wealth couldn't grow because there was no wealth base but the wealth was actually closer in more racist times
     
  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    You're right no construction worker ever had a kid do well in school
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Living paycheck to paycheck doesn't prevent you from being involved

    Most Americans are living this way
     
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  15. fchowd0311

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    Again. You still don't get it.

    The effects of racist policies has created a system where one race got all their property when it was at its cheapest and that property inflated to 4-6 times it's original value allowing future generations of their offspring to more easily obtain wealth and capital while the other group even after those racist polices were banned now we're thrown into a market where any no homeowner was ****ed because home values are signficantly higher and they don't have the advantage of the other race of having a disproportionate ownership of homes that greatly inflated in value that they could pass on to their kids.
     
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    It definitely hinders the ability. And black families disproportionately live paycheck to paycheck which accounts for a lot of the socioeconomic outcomes between the white and black race in this country.

    You have issues understanding basic things like trend lines and the concept of a gradient. It's not that all black families that struggle never produce successful black kids nor is that all white families who don't struggle never produce what society deems as failures. We are referring to probabalistic odds. There is no certainty of certain conditions resulting in failure. There are just probabalistic odds and when the sample size is large enough those probabalistic odds produce tangible discrepancies in outcomes.
     
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    Nothing prevented you to also become the president or an austronaut. Or a billionaire. Why aren't you and go buy the Rockets?

    Fact is that there is stark difficulties. Nothing prevents them because so called everything is possible but succeeding is against the norms.

    And most of all parents themselves must have realised the importance of education.

    If a parent not only is a manual laborer with hardly any time or power to spare but also is functional illiterate or a foreigner who doesn't speak the language then what?
    You smh believe that the importance of education is apparent to everyone but it isn't.

    Humans often raise our kids like we have been raised. If a parent themselves was a victim of child abuse raised from parents who neglected him or hit him or were drug addicts chances are they won't end up being the most caring of parents.

    Again chances are. Exceptions are plentiful but they are called exceptions for a reason.
     
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  18. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Exactly it's not systemic racism it's the homes that are the biggest variable
     
  19. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    One thing I appreciate about moving from corporate America is not believing the myth that some people are killing themselves at work

    It's not that bad bro
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    I don't think you are qualified to make broad claims like this.
     
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