Timing, is the only way for you to win an argument by twisting and contorting people's words to alter their meaning? I never said minorities should "be quiet". That *is* idiotic. What I said was that the NAACP should quit complaining, blaming others and making incendiary remarks. Minorites should absolutely feel free to express their opinions in a constructive manner. Your "yessa massa" remark was completely out of line. However, it was quite representative of a hypothetical argument the NAACP would make: 1) Take a simple occurrence 2) Infer from that occurrence the most wicked, evil intent possible 3) Jump to conclusions 4) Make wild, broad based accusations and generalizations 5) Demand retribution 6) Attack others for not sharing the opinion
On the AD that is. Do you advocate a President ignoring civil rights issues because of an ad? I think it says more about George Bush that he was against hate crimes legislation yet his successor Rick Perry, a Republican, supported their passing.
I'd cry too, and call him a big-meanie I'd also tell him I would be contacting a lawyer to sue him for slander and harrasment.
Originally posted by Trader_Jorge Timing, is the only way for you to win an argument by twisting and contorting people's words to alter their meaning? I never said minorities should "be quiet". That *is* idiotic. What I said was that the NAACP should quit complaining, blaming others and making incendiary remarks. Minorites should absolutely feel free to express their opinions in a constructive manner. Since minorities are voicing their COMPLAINTS it would seem they are COMPLAINING. If groups are not allowed to voice their complaints, ie complaining, then what are you suggesting they speak about? What they like? Please... Your "yessa massa" remark was completely out of line. However, it was quite representative of a hypothetical argument the NAACP would make: 1) Take a simple occurrence 2) Infer from that occurrence the most wicked, evil intent possible 3) Jump to conclusions 4) Make wild, broad based accusations and generalizations 5) Demand retribution 6) Attack others for not sharing the opinion Your attitude is completely out of line and it's the reason many people are disgusted with your party. Just the fact that you included the NAACP with the Black Panthers in your post is indicative of that. You cannot radicalize the voices of minorities to fit your agenda and I'm not going to sit here quietly while you do it.
I asked if an organization that ran an ad like that was worthy of his time, you said you couldn't comment b/c you hadn't seen it. You then turned around and said they were in fact worthy of his time. But anyway... It wasn't really just an ad...it downright crossed the line of decency. Saying it was below the belt would be a huge understatement. Why meet with someone who funds that kind of crap? That's not legitimate. Anyway, I don't know if that's the reason he allegedly won't meet with them, I was just throwing that out there. Why do you assume that "civil rights issues" are being ignored because he won't meet with a lobbyist?
Originally posted by TheFreak I asked if an organization that ran an ad like that was worthy of his time, you said you couldn't comment b/c you hadn't seen it. You then turned around and said they were in fact worthy of his time. But anyway... It wasn't really just an ad...it downright crossed the line of decency. Saying it was below the belt would be a huge understatement. Why meet with someone who funds that kind of crap? That's not legitimate. Yeah I know what you meant, but I just wouldn't consider an ad to be a reason for an elected official to ignore a civil rights organization. I'll try to search for info on it. A meeting is just that though, it's not a commitment of action or legislation. Anyway, I don't know if that's the reason he allegedly won't meet with them, I was just throwing that out there. Why do you assume that "civil rights issues" are being ignored because he won't meet with a lobbyist? They're not simply a lobbyist, they're the largest and oldest civil rights organization in the country. If in a year and a half they can't get 1 hour of the President's time then that's a problem.
Timing, Please get your facts straight. I never inclued the NAACP with the Black Panthers in any of my posts. And you still don't know what the word complain means. sigh. thanks for proving my point again with your wild response. this is too easy.
Well that was Hydra who said it so I apologize to you for that. Seems your views aren't very different however. com·plain Pronunciation Key (km-pln) intr.v. com·plained, com·plain·ing, com·plains To express feelings of pain, dissatisfaction, or resentment. I do have a dictionary though.
Timing seems like a reasonably intelligent poster that gets very worked up every ti,me race is discussed on this board. Sometimes when he twists people's words it makes him look like an ass. Hitler was a tremendous ass, quite a bit more of an ass than Timing. He murdered 6 million Jews. Mentioning two people or groups in the same post does not mean that I equate them. I think that the NAACP is inflammatory and devisive. I think that the NBPP for Self-Defense is much more inflammatory and devisive than the NAACP, although they do share a goal in the advancement of colored people (taken from the name of the first and the stated purpose of the second). BTW, I said New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense, which is not in any way affiliated with the Black Panther Party, despite the name. You said that I was naive when I claimed that they are working only for minorities. Please enlighten me. What is the NAACP doing specifically for me, an average white American. Please do not reply with anything along the lines of "Advancing minorities is good for everyone." I am not talking about positive side effects or social ripples. I want to know what scholorships I can get, or where they will find me a job, etc.
To be blunt, I grew up thinking the republican party was racist, because in South Carolina, every single self described Republican told me racist jokes. Since nearly person in my family is republican, I heard quite a few racist jokes. Since nearly every person in my family told me racist jokes, homophobic jokes, and made a billion other inflammatory comments, I grew up longing for something more spiritually appropriate. I grew up looking for something more honorable. The democratic party of the 80s seemed in line with all of the caring, sensitive stuff that Christians were preaching, so in my youthful search for spirituality, the democrats always seemed more noble than the spitting, hate-mongering republicans that I was around. Do I still think that republicans are all racist? No. Hell, Arlen Specter, John McCain and O. Snowe seem like honorable people. But... do I think that republican ideology is insensitive and can perpetuate racism? Yes. But so can democatic centrism, or any other ideology that starts the train before everyone's on board. Last question, is it appropriate to start the train before everyone's on board?.. I don't know. Sometimes standards get in the way of pragmatism. Sometimes pragmatism really gets us to the good spot that do-gooders long for in the first place. A $100.00 says that old guy votes straight ticket republican though.
i had a little girl with her dad acall me ****** today. Her dad did, and said nothing. Will it ever end?
The thing that bothers me about these issues are that if black people site occurances that may be construed as racist to us, most of the time unaffected people say we are overreacting. If ANY OTHER RACE is offended by something, then we should respect that, and if we don't then we are perceived as racist. In terms of opinions on racism and trying to rationalize based on african-american views, as whites you have never felt the sting of being called the 'n' specifically, please don't pretend to understand. Having said that... I will die believing that man IS inherently good, we must just deal with a few assh0les along the way. LIVE. LAUGH. LOVE.
It's just like if you wrote ****. There is a filter that "asterik" certain words, and the n word is one of those.
Rockets03, What the hell happened to your thread? I came in here looking for people talking about personal experiences and I find Republicans vs. Democrats... lol. ... and CMG, it's "asterisk"... sorry, fadeaway made me...
Same thing I'm wondering. I didn't bother reading all the Republican vs. Democrat stuff. Can't we take that some other place guys?
I totally agree. It's because they have appeased their "religious right" segment by either condoning or ignoring some of the more questionable public issues that there's some perception that a racist element does have some clout in the party. I still remember that nasty South Carolina primary where some GOP candidates debated at Bob Jones University, a supposed trial by fire made by the "Religious Right". McCain did address the issue by not attending, but the majority of the other members went along in their bid for the Presidency. Bush went as far as supporting the Confederate Flag to be flown over the state capitol. It looks like the GOP primary is set up for the more malleable members of the Republican party to be propped up than the other members willing to take a stand on an issue. With vocal bigoted members like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell sometimes that disgust carries over to the party in general.
Another Brother: I am a white guy. I don't pretend I know what it feels like to experience the discrimination black people have experienced. But I will go to war with anyone who discriminates against anyone based on race, gender, age, ability, sexual orientation, etc. I hope that's okay with you. Freak: How disappointing. I know you mostly from your Rockets posts. You honestly need justification for the NAACP in the form of what they do for YOU as a white man? Affirmative action and civil rights were invented to confront and correct racist, un-American behavior. They don't need to help you as a white man, because white men have not been systematically discriminated against in this country. I might as well ask you what vanilla ice cream does for me if I prefer chocolate. Except that that would trivialize a sensitive, important issue. Stick to Rockets threads, friend. You really don't need to defend us white folks against the evil, radical blacks who just want to be treated equally. Hydra: How dare you equate any radical group with the NAACP, in the interest of discrediting them? If it weren't for them, we'd be at least twenty years further behind equal rights than we are now. You are obviously doing this in defense of your party. You do them a disservice and shame them by trying to discredit the most respected civil rights advocacy group in our country's history. And I HAVE seen the Byrd ad. It is partisan, of course. Political ads are. Bush brought that on himself by opposing hate crime statutes, which have since been adopted. You hurt your party's cause by saying he shouldn't meet with the primary civil rights group in this country. Calling them lobbyists doesn't change that. Their lobby is arguably the most important of this century. As that old racist that 03 met points out, their work is not done. And you can damn well bet he votes Republican, because Democrats wouldn't tolerate him. Your party would and does. And Jorge. Dear, sweet, simple Jorge... YOU are too easy. You don't like the NAACP complaining? Complaining is what freed the slaves. I'm sorry you find it distasteful. But right and righteous people will continue to complain until the sort of racism that 03 encountered is commonly understood to be unacceptable in this country. Your party pretends to be the party of patriotism on account of being against flag burning and such, but when it comes to the real stuff -- protecting the liberties and equality of all this country's citizens, regardless of race -- they are conspicuously silent (kind of like you are whenever a reasoned argument is presented -- what happened to you in the medical mar1juana thread when your arguments were exposed as utter falacy?). Keep it up. Keep calling people who want to be treated equally complainers. And keep accepting it when your party does the same. If none of you Republicans demand your party pay attention to civil rights, we Democrats will be assured victory. Mock the reasonable moderates in your party too and you can be sure of more Jeffords'. I hope you have enjoyed your brief, but somehow far too long, ride. It will be over soon enough.
I didn't say this. Apology accepted. I brought up the Byrd ad. No he didn't "bring it on himself". The ad features someone tying a chain to a truck and Byrd's daughter saying that Bush killed her father all over again by opposing hate crime legislation! It's sick. So if someone believes that a murder is a murder, they "bring that on themself"? C'mon man. "If you disagree with us, you must be a racist" -- that is ALL that ad was about. I ask again -- why meet with someone who pays for an ad calling you a racist on national tv? Just because they're the NAACP? Do you think a group that employs those tactics is interested in meaningful discussion? What else should they be allowed to get away with and still get to meet with him? Can they publicly call his mother a w**** and still expect a meeting? And I don't have a party, by the way.
