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How people in Philly perceive Brown

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jamalccc, May 27, 2003.

  1. RocksMillenium

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    How about this one:

    <i>If you want someone who has won a championship and is a good coach......then Pat Riley or Phil Jackson.

    Rick Adelman.....has he won a championship? He's a good coach...he hasn't even gone to the finals recently. </i>

    Last time Adelman made it to the Finals:

    1992

    Riley?

    1994

    Last time Adelman made the Conference Finals:

    2002 Lost in 7

    Riley:

    1997 Pounded in 5

    Riley hasn't won an NBA championship since 1988.
     
  2. farhan007

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    i thought that was his strong suit
     
  3. A-Train

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    Riley is done as a coach. Pat Riley has single handedly killed the once beautiful game of basketball, first with the Knicks and then with the Heat
     
  4. silent j

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    Didn't Van Gundy take his 8th seed Knicks to the championship series to get pounded by the Spurs?
    j
     
  5. MacBeth

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    I find the Philly reactions to be strange, because normally when a coach or player decides to leave a city, the fans of that city are soooo positive and supportive. Also Philly is famous for being positive and supportive in the first place, so this whole thing is confusing.
     
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  6. silent j

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    About his Wanderlust....
    the man is 62, his next job will probably be his last. I'm sure if we bring him in, I'm sure we're only counting on having him 3 or 4 years.
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  7. heypartner

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    And Larry Brown's 76er that SLA mentioned got pounded by the Lakers. The contradiction is on one hand Brown should be commended for making it to the Finals, but Van Gundy should be criticized for making it to the Finals.

    Now do you see the contradiction? I'll give SLA the benefit of the doubt, and just think SLA forgot that a Van Gundy team made it to the Finals.

    Fegwu,

    You do realize that No Worries was quoting the Thread Starter's information, right? 76ers fans probably say that because he hasn't played a young player in awhile, and you know how everyone has their pet players like Terrence Morris and demand for him to get more playing time over Aaron McKie type thing..so they yell at the coach to player that 2nd Rounder who had one good game. I'd say that Rudy's track record with young players is very good. I'd say that Brown's "teaching" is more about getting them to play in a team concept, but Rudy is a better scout than Brown and can spot individual strengths/weaknesses and nourish/correct them as well as anyone.
     
  8. Deuce Rings

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    God and Jesus could be GM and coach of the Philadelphia 76'ers and the Philly fans would have a problem with them. I don't give a damn what New York, Boston, Chicago, or Philadelphia fans think of anybody because their expectations are so unrealistically high that nothing can ever please them. They have been too spoiled by the past successes of their sports teams. A moron could look at Larry brown's track record and conclude that the guy is doing something right that so few of his peers are able to emulate.
     
  9. BigBnLC

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    2. He doesn't know how to put and use sufficient talent on the court to support his franchise player --- Allan Iverson.

    we already have more than the Sixers we just need some one to put it 2gether we have 2 superstars and alot of great roleplayers and 1 of those roleplayers has the potential 2 be a 3rd surperstar(EG)
     
  10. rezdawg

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    Do you even know what you are talking about?

    Brown is notorious for keeping young guys off the court and going with the vet.
     
  11. jamalccc

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    He obviously doesn't.
     
  12. jamalccc

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    Who's strong suit? Strong suit of what? Are you trying to be sarcastic? Being a jerk? A smart alleck? Trying to be funny(though failed)? I didn't get it. Please explain better.
     
  13. Sane

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    The real question is, has Larry Brown ever had a team as talented as the current Rockets with as much underachieving than the Rockets?

    I don't think Brown has ever coached a C as good as Yao, and the only G better than Steve Francis he's coached is Allen Iverson.

    Outside of that, we're Larry Brown material with Cuttino Mobley, Kelvin Cato, and James Posey. We also have the ideal "young" players in Eddie Griffin and Boki because they are not rookies anymore, and just need to be TAUGHT the game, need to be TOLD what to do. They are ready to go out and play, unlike rookies.

    Obviously, the longer a coach stays on a team, the more magnified his "cons" get. If Rudy were going to another team, we'd be praising him like crazy, regardless of everything we blamed on him this past season.
     
  14. NJRockFan

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    Well said Sane. The Rockets have more talent that the other coaching spots Brown has held.
     
  15. DavidS

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    All this criticism about Brown not being able to win a championship is shortsighted. Is a coach supposed to automatically just pull a championship out of a hat?

    The reason that Brown's 76ers didn't win the last time in the Finals was because there was this team in LA that had this BIG GUY that was kinda hard to stop.

    They Lakers were just the better team.
     
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    Exactly! The Rockets will be the most talent that Brown has ever coached collectively on one team.
     
  17. giddyup

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    Rudy must have been a great assistant coach/scout but in over his head as a head coach in the NBA. I always thought he looked confused-- deer in the headlilghts thing.
     
  18. leebigez

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    Lets see..........

    He had the #1 player in college basketball in 1987 who didn't come in to 89. not only that, he had the college player of the yr in 89 come in the same yr that guy in 87 decided to come in. Did I mention someone traded for a all star from Milw to compliment those young players. he stayed 2 yrs and left. That would be San Antonio in 89.

    In 1992, he had a multi-dimensional player in Danny Manning, the consummate pg in Jackson, a former all star in Ron Harper, a double-double pf in Loy Vaught and a servicable center in Stanley Roberts. Larry stayed there 2 1/2 yrs.

    He's been placec with talent, but left too early even though they were winning. The reason Philly have no talent is because the lotto picks he had that were drafted by him, he traded them for marginal veterans like Ty Hill and Toni Kukoc. Larry Brown is like a band-aid on a open wound that needs stitches. It will last for a minute, but when it opens up, it will be real ugly.
     
  19. heypartner

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    This is wrong. Check out his Spurs teams. Terry Cummings pre-heart condition was on that team, and a perennial All-Star superscorer. Sean Elliott. Willie Anderson. Rod Strickland. Talent-wise, those were the best Spurs teams of the Robinson era. Brown's did not do as well as he could with that team. Those teams definitely had more talent than the current Rockets...no question.
     
  20. heypartner

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    We aren't talking about Rudy being a great coach. We are talking about Brown being a great teacher of young talent in light of the Philly fans saying he wasn't.

    My point was that there are two measures of developing young talent. One is to teach them fit into a system as quickly as possible, ala Shandon Anderson. Another is to being able to spot individual weaknesses/strengths can get them to improve...ala Jim Boylen spotting Posey's shooting problems and Posey giving Boylen credit for fixing his shot.

    Brown is great teacher, no doubt...and a great coach overall...but from the teaching standpoint Rudy and staff have a great track record of developing the young talent, too, from the standpoint of spotting individual weaknesses like a scout would...but no, he didn't maximize Shandon's role by developing a team concept to get Shandon the layups he needed to produce.

    You have to consider that the Rockets didn't have a 1st round pick for 3 yrs. But when you look at the complete roster of young talent (not just rookies), Rudy and staff did some great jobs. Mobley, Kenny and Othella are probably the best examples. But there are a lot more examples of players getting their shot fixed or their foot work improved.
     

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