How people in 7 Muslim countries prefer women to dress their hair in public

Stupid beards.

That r****ded story was posted and shred to pieces already.

Not even close.

What kind of a r****ded statement is that? "just get naked for any man"? what?

 

It's really simple... It's called freedom to choose. A women can be as much of a slut as she wants to be in the west. And don't act as if there is no sociatal peer pressure in Western culture to not be a slut. I hope you do know being called a slut/w**** is considered an insult here in the west. I absolutely hate Muslim apologists who straight out lie and say that the west shoves sex down women's throats which in turn is some form of subjugation. Quite the contrary. We westerners love educated women. Every western girl knows that an educated women is more respected than a slut. Contrary to what some might perceive in this thread I was raised in a Muslim household. Islam values women as obedient housewives more than anything.

 

he's german, what do you expect?

 

I love the "why are you shaking a woman's hand?" question.

Because that's what people do when they meet new people.
Seriously such an oppressed society.

 

Honestly, that story is bunk. It's propaganda. The metaphor doesn't hold for either the "queen" analogy or the "candy" analogy, especially in today's world.

Your other points do carry some merit though. Islam does have guidelines for proper male attire and behavior, although they are routinely ignored due to the patriarchal societies in countries such as Pakistan and Saudi. The men have the power, they waive enforcement for themselves, and re-double the focus on the women.

Also, while "slut" and "w****" are insults, so are "prude" and "tease." Choosing to wear hijab in the west makes you a target, not for violence, but for social banishment. In some western countries, it's illegal. Guys won't look at you, mean girls tease you behind your back, or to your face. If a girl or woman wants social acceptance in the west, she wont find it if she also chooses to maintain her hijab.

While women enjoy more freedoms in the west, women aren't as free as fchowd0311 suggests. Saudi oppression manifests as formal laws and regulations, while western oppression manifests as social and peer pressure. Women constantly are compared, or compare themselves to the unattainable "beauty ideal" pumped into the culture by the media.

You can look at the responses in this thread for a quick sample. The majority of responses are about which one they'd sex, or how the practice is "ass-backwards."

Here's how that damages women:

• http://magazine.biola.edu/article/07-fall/why-do-we-struggle-with-beauty-and-body-image/
• http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2012/06/02/why-do-women-hate-their-bodies/
• http://www.sirc.org/publik/mirror.html
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_image
• https://www.girlscoutsww.org/what-w...-Facing-Girls/Pages/Girls-and-Body-Image.aspx
• http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/apr/07/african-american-women-bulimia

That's just the first couple links from the first page of a Google search. We cannot criticize the practices of other cultures under the banner of "women's rights" without being honest about our own warts.

 

I am a pretty tolerant guy but I have to admit that now that I live in a city where I see number 1s from time to time it is a little unnerving. Not because I am afraid of them but because it is so unfathkmable for me. I mean, really, why would anyone prefer to cover up that much and even restrict their vision (however moderately) in a major metropolitan city? I wouldn't want to be in any situation where my daily clothing is forced or strongly urged or common practice or whatever you call it in any sense, much less one that has me completely covered where I have to view the world through a veil.

 

This is how I imagine Aroundtheworld when he posts:

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:grin:

 

Women are as free as I suggest. Any woman with common sense knows the amount of photoshop and trickery that goes into models. I have no idea where you live but I have not seen a girl being insulted for keeping her legs closed. I have lived in college dorms. There is a reason why college chicks discreetly exit male dorms the morning after... because she understands the backlash of her being labeled a slut awaits her if she is caught. I have not witnessed personally a girl who has been teased for staying at the library and studying rather than party. Girls are not forced into being sluts as many Muslims suggest. Girls like sex, just like dudes. Girls receive larger back lash for being sexually active then men in the west.

NOTHING restricts women in the west from being a slut or being a "prude". It's their own personal choice, not the media's.

 

man what a backwards religion.

 

Huh?

 

lol @ they are treated equally

how brainwashed can you be

 

I used to think this way. Sit into some women studies related courses while you're there and get the story from women's point of view.

 

I wonder what the world would be like if the rules for men and women were applied equally in all cultures. For example, as a question germane to this thread -- but with regard to many others regarding dress, customs and actualities, how long would #1 through #5 last if men were forced to obey the same rules?

 

I can understand that the imposition of dress codes for women is a reaction to the pervasiveness of western culture. History has seen many societies do things like that and on the flip side I would argue that the laws that prevent the wearing of the Hijab, Niqab, Burkha is a similar reaction in terms of the fear of the creeping Islamicization into Western Society. All of that said the real problem that I still see here is that these carry the force of law.

I live in a neighborhood in America that has a lot of Somali and other east African immigrants. Women wearing the Hijab is not uncommon and I've even seen several cases of women wearing the Niqab. There has been debate here in Minnesota about that and even some proposals to have laws banning that type of dress but those proposals haven't gone anywhere. Leaving aside a significant segment of America that is paranoid of all things Islam I think most Americans recognize that in a pluralistic society things like fashion choices are best left up to individuals.

Now compare that to what we see in several Islamic countries where this isn't a matter of individual choice but a matter of law and one that in some cases is carried out fairly repressively. As I said I agree that just because some Islamic countries and cultures enforce these laws doesn't mean that Islam as a whole is repressive and heavy handed but I definitely think that those countries and cultures that do it is important to point out that that is happening. In the 21st Century forcing women to dress a particular way through the law and threat of violence should be unacceptable.

I think you agree with me on that but I understand there is a fine line here regarding demonizing a whole religion, Islam, or group, Arabs, for the actions of some. Islam, Islamic culture, and Arabs are very diverse.

 

If you think most modern western women will get naked for any man you are going to be disappointed.