I'm not sure how relevant it is to point out a couple specific games. Gooden is playing behind Duncan. It seems like Pop likes the idea of either spreading the floor with 3 point shooting (Bonner) or having a rugged defender in (Thomas). And, Gooden's the new guy, Bonner's been with that team 3 years, look how long it took him to get minutes. Either way, I thought the whole point of leebigez's post was to say that when Gooden got his contract at ~mid level money, in cleveland, he had similar production to Scola. In '05, '06, and '07 he had PER's of 19.7, 17.6, and 16.5 respectively. Scola's PER's for last season and this season are 16.1 and 16.8...so Scola should be paid around the same amount as Gooden did then, especially since he's much older than Gooden was then. That's sounds logical to me. I'd be the first to admit that but you have to provide evidence of these intangibles if you are going to present and argument. You can prove that Dirk has been MUCH better than Zach Randolph, statistically. He scores more, has better fg%, 3p%, ft% and gets more blocks, steals, and assists. Not to mention Randolph is one of the few big men that make Dirk look like a good defender.
why is there a discussion of a contract that expired at 2010, and a restricted FA as well. And do remember. Scola will be 30-31 by then. I just cant see anyone offering a 10m deal to a player that will not be in the all star and already reaching the end of his career.
I'd grant you the age factor. Putting Powe, who average 17 mpg, on the same level of a 30 mpg starter is quite far fetched. Millsap is probably the best comparison in terms of production and impact. Haslem is a notch lower, imo.
I disagree with him "ending his career," but I also don't see Scola getting $10 million a year. I don't know what we'll resign him for, but it won't be for that much, IMO.
08-09 Dirk PER 22.5 08-09 Zach PER 19.5 08-09 Scola PER 16.8 08-09 Gooden PER 15.3 why are you comparing career PERs? for his career Steve Francis has a higher PER than Tony Parker, and that includes those lousy years in New York and his last stint in Houston. that right, the Rockets should have kept Steve and gotten rid of the young guys. Scola was a rookie last season and only played limited minutes, and is now barely playing starter minutes for the season, while Gooden has been playing for some seven years or so, and has never received over 31 mpg; 28.3 for the season. it's not as if the guy has stamina issues or can't stay out of foul trouble. he's just never been clearly the best option for PF on the teams he's played for. PER is such an overrated stat anyway. what's Olajuwon's career PER? 23.6 about .6 higher than Yao Ming. there's a good chance Yao will finish his career with a higher PER. he likely won't get only 13 shot attempts for the rest of his career. PER is a usually a good indicator for prolific and efficient scoring; even then i don't know why Parker's is so relatively low. however, there have been HOFs and some of the greatest players to play the game with only somewhat above average PERs. Elvin Hayes with 17.7, Mutombo with 17.2, Earl Monroe with 17.2, and MVP Dave Cowens with 17.0, while Rik Smits has 17.9. yup, Cowens has the same PER as Cliffy Robinson. heck, Bill freaking Russell has the same PER as Brad Daugherty with 18.9. Daugherty was a good center, but come on. Russell may have been the greatest ever. you do have to be a very good player to have a very high PER, but PER doesn't take into account defense, bball I.Q., hustle and health of a player, all intangibles. speaking of intangibles, since he's been in Houston, Battier has only had a PER of 11.2 and a career per of 13.5, but most GMs would say that he's better than a majority of small forwards in the league. PER also doesn't take into account the conference/division a player plays in. for the last decade or so, most of the talented big men and PFs were in the western conference. it wasn't until Rasheed Wallace, Shaq, Brand and KG were traded to the east, did you start to see a realignment. in other words it was easier to put up dominant stats as a PF in the eastern conference. the season that Gooden replaced Boozer in Cleveland, he actually put up similar stats and a higher PER. the reality is that the game is not played on paper. i don't really think that Randolph is as good as Dirk or even close, despite having similar stats/production (point, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, shooting percentage, even three pointers; tangibles), anymore than i think that Gooden is the same level as Scola. at the least, Scola is a much more cerebral player than Gooden, and is more likely to make the game winning plays and decisions that matter.
I never brought per into the equation and as usual, people want to bring intangibles into the argument. You can take that battier comment ande throw it into the trash can also. If there are 60 wings in the league, shane is 40-60 so that doesn't work. We can go back and forth and scola has a good iq offensively even if he never passes, but when you can't keep matt bonner in front of you from the 3 pt line, that's a problem. Scola is a terrible defender in the post and on the perimeter. He's a try hard guy, but when you compare his best yr or yrs, they will be equal to drew gooden. His pay will be equal as such. I brought up powe because go look at what he was doing when kg was out. Milsap has proven to be a really good player when boozer was out. Haslem has proven he can be a good defender and a tough rebounder. All those guys are better or equal to scola and will get mle or slight above in milsaps case. Im just saying, because we have looked at chuck hayes for so long, don't overrate scola. I actually think if scola went down, landry would put up the same if not better numbers and the team would be the same.
I don't agree with this comment, but that can be debated elsewhere - just wondering if you could perhaps rate Scola as a PF for us? If there are, say 60 guys who play PF in the league, where does Scola fit?
Nobody paid Carl Landry for more than 3 mil per year. They'd be crazy to pay Von nobrain Wafer 3 mil, who is marginally better than Luther Head. Wafer must be thinking like you, and it shows on the court by how stupid his play is. Scola was on the same level as Landry, now a little better because he improved his defense and can stay healthy. He gets beat by a lot of PFs in NBA on defensive end and he doesn't demand any double team through out the season. A very nice role player, and he benifits alot play alongside Yao. If Scola is the best player on Rockets, Rxo would have noway to go but lottery. I'm glad Rox GM is Morey instead of some so called true rockets fans,
why are you comparing this season's pers only? do you really think dirk's so much better than zach based on this season alone, WITHOUT seeing what dirk did in the past therefore knowing what he's capable of? and even if you consider this season only, gooden's a lot closer to scola than zach's to dirk. i agree intangibles count but tangibles count more.
Yes, you are saying that Powe is equal or better than Scola. And your only evidence is, "go look at what he was doing when kg was out." So you are rating him as an average starting PF? That's more than MLE. The MLE is the average of ALL players, including all bench warming scrubs.
Scola 10m/yr? Scola is a good teamball player,but he is not good to play one on one,I think 6-8m/yr is good for him.You should know that Landry earns 3m a year..... Wafer no more than 3m/yr...
Yeah, I agree with you. He think Scola would earn 10m/yr.That's rediculous. Scola benifits alot play alongside YAo. The defense are mostly on YAo
my boy I've been rooting for the rockets team since before you could speak english. how did you get this thought it is scola that benefits from yao's presense, oppositely i think yao wouldn't get such nice stats but for scola. Yao used to be our best guy in the paint 3 or 4 yrs ago, but yao has already passed his prime and he is no longer the best player in our paint. haven't you noticed yao has been suffering troubles everytime he faces small centers? Yao is actually the most overrated player of all time IMHO. I have to admit yao is a decent player and he used to be a superstar, but his prime has already gone along with tmac's. the combo of yao&tmac has already totally failed and it's time for us to consider erecting a new combo that can act as our lable. that is Scola, Ron and yao. the only reason I list yao here is just because he can still bring millions of dollars to les from those so-called rockets fans who are actually unknowledgable yao fans. Will you yao fans still stand on our bandwagon after yao retires?
i don't want to quarrel with a stupid person but I'm forced to do so at times. if you don't agree with me on some of my viewpoints, then please figure them out and make your remarkable opinions clear in a language we can understand, i know you have tons of troubles speaking it though.
The fail image doesn't make the slightest sense. And don't insult other posters for their English, not the least because your own English isn't brag-worthy.
Agree with you about Wafer. 1.5M like the Hayes' deal is more reasonable. However, Landry is underpaid in my opinion. But Scola is a better player than Landry, in that he can create for himself. He may be a role player like you said, but he is the closest than any other on the roster except Yao and Artest, to be a star in this league. A pure role player won't lock 15-15 points/rebounds as many times as Scola did.
Bring that kind of stuff out of here. If you reduce yourself to attacking a non-native speaker's English and their nation, you do not belong here. Why don't you have a disciplinary time-out, like a lot suggested to Ron Artest?
