Man, I know where he's from. He could be from the Moon and it'd make no difference to Lee, not if he played in Europe.
Von Wafer 3 million each year is definitely overpaying. Such a low basketball IQ guy. Artest 10 mil per at most for his hot head against strong teams. Scola 8 mil per is about right for his age, trouble against big athletic guy.
bottomline is scola doesn't clearly produce more than gooden. lee's got a point. i think scola might be slightly better than gooden but it's nuts to think he's clearly a different level above gooden.
Von Wafer definitely deserves even more than 3 million each year, as long as the rockets give 22m each year to tmac who is not even half as good as Wafer. Artest is very likely to accept the 10m/yr contract, because he knows a championship ring is more valuable than several millions dollars but not because of his "hot head". Scola is worth 10m dollars/yr at least, it's stupid of a fake rockets fan to underestimate our best player just because of a lose.
bottomline is that Dirk doesn't clearly outproduce Zach Randolph either, but you would have to be on drugs to think he's not on a clearly different level. stats aren't everything. intangibles count for alot.
Do you watch the games? Spurs/Warriors Gooden - 4 points, 6 boards, 2 TOs in 9 minutes. This after 4 points, 3 boards and 2 TOs against the Rockets in SA, in 7 minutes. Rockets/Jazz Scola - 10 points, 12 boards, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 TO in 37 minutes. That's after the game in SA, where I won't bother quoting the stat line. Gooden is so much like Scola that he couldn't get more than 9 minutes in one game and 7 in the other. With TD having sore knees. With the playoff seeding in the balance. Popovich could have played Gooden more than he did. Guess he didn't feel the need to.
The difference in your poor example is Dirk was the franchise player that led a team to the playoffs vs randolph whom the blazers tried to make the franchise player and wound up in lotto land. I've never said scola was a bad player or that I didn't like him. I've compared him to AC Green expcept he's a little better offensively and a little worse defensively. Even in todays cartoon money environment, 29 yr old AC Green isn't getting more than 6m per. I mean its ok to like the hometown players, but that doesn't mean you have to be totally blind. If you shook up all the pf's in the league and regardless of the role or team, where would scola be picked? If we started at some ok guys, would you take him before haslem, milsap, or even Powe? He's a hard working,m consistent guy at the 4, don't act like gooden hasn't done anything in this league. He was the starter on a team that went to the finals. He also has had a double-double season. No one has said he's overpaid because he's productive when healthy for 6m. Scola has clearly out performed his contract, no argument from me. I just think you have to look at the whole picture. How good is scola when teams don't double yao? What kind of player will he be when he turns 33 and getting the 10m or so some are suggesting.
i will be surprised if any nba team will give wafer 3m a year... nba is full of this type of young player... rockets will give artest 10m only if rockets can get good result in playoff... not many team will take a risk to sign artest in 2009 with long contract. i think 8m for 4 year is fair for scola but i will not surprise some nba team like ny will give 10m to scola in 2010.
Oh,you guy.Les is lucky that you are not the GM of Rox. T-mac is not half as good as Wafer? I'm not a t-mac fan,but I think a healthy T-mac deserve 22m a yr.If Wafer is better than T-mac,he would stay in Fakers or other teams that he once stayed. Scola will never make more than 10m.He is a good teamball player but he isnt good to play one on one. PS: You have the same IQ with Wafer....
did you watch gooden before recently? how long has gooden been with the spurs? nice using a couple games as the argument. so are you challenging me to come back when gooden has a better game than scola or what? considering gooden's numbers are basically a push to scola's THIS year and carl landry's return, i'll happily accept it. even if he doesn't get any minutes with the spurs this season, the guy's only 28 i'm sure he can still be that 13/8 guy elsewhere for a couple years at least.
dirk career PER 23.8 05-06 best season PER 28.1 zach career PER 19.3 06-07 best season PER 22.8 scola career PER 16.5 gooden career PER 16.4
I think 1.8-2 mil is pretty fair for Wafer, but his recent poor defense and decision-making makes me wonder if he's the right guy for our backup PG spot. Sorry Von, but watching Korver got me thinking. And although I love what Scola brings, $10 million/yr would be way too much for him IMO. I'm hoping $7 million but it probably will go a little higher.
your "1.8-2 mil offer" will definitely force Wafer to walk to another team which offers him double or tripple more. He isn't pretty good at defense but some teams in NBA just don't play any defense, like the suns and warriors, Wafer will definitely a great fit for those teams that don't play defense. It's business so no one can doubt wafer's loyality to his team, anyway wafer was the last player we signed before this season began. besides, scola will easily get an offer worth 15m/yr from europe when his contract expires, I think it will be the best scenario if we can sign him at 10m/yr. we'll have plenty of salary space in that summer as tmac's garbage contract expires, and I don't think we will be able to land a superstar like wade and James. I would rather use the money to retain scola than bait a guy like amar'e or bosh, and it'll definitely cost more to sign amar'e or bosh. as scola is pretty good with us, then why should we give him up for a guy who is not guaranteed to be a better guy than scola?
haha son that's hilarious. I really don't know at what point you disagree with me, please make it clear son.
If Wafer can get a team to offer him $6 million/yr then more power to him. Given that the Rockets are paying Landry $3 million, I'd be really surprised if they go over $2 million for Wafer. In fact, a contract equivalent to Head's or Hayes' - $1.9 million - is pretty generous, unless, of course, he starts averaging 18 points in the playoffs. The same goes for Scola, especially if he can "easily" get $15 million in Europe, which is what Yao is getting. I actually think something a little less than $7 million is reasonable, but I think there may be offers from other teams to push it up a little. You should check out the contracts of the Rockets and other NBA teams for comparison. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm
Not what im saying at all. What I will say is teams would offer milsap and powe just as much if not more because they're 24 yrs old or so and haslem makes 6m per. If scola were offered more than 6m, from a gm,s point of view, you could replace him with haslem who is equally as good, a better defender with championship experience. In the pf rankings, scola is probably 14-20 and that's not a bad place to be.
