I think some teams would be interested in Lowry, especially the Lakers, so my guess would be $4 mil to MLE for Lowry and Scola would starts at $7-8 million range..
The Max Scola can get depends on the Salary Cap for teams which has not been set as of yet. As of now it is looking like about 54 mil a team for next season. Players in their 3rd year can receive a new contract with a salary starting at 25% of the teams Salary Cap which would be about 13.5 mil a year. Scola has is due a qualifying offer of 4.1 million if the Rockets want to make him a restricted free agent. Having said that his contract will be between 4.1 and 13.5 million Dollars. Judging from how Morey handled the Landry a couple of years ago I think he will tender Scola 4.1 and let the market set the his salary. Teams tend to be hesitant to tender restricted free agents an offer for fear that it will tie up their MLE waiting for the players team to match. Orlando was not expected to re-sign Gortat last year which is why he recieved so many offers. I don't expect Scola to get any free agent offers from other teams because no GM is going to want to set Scola's market value for DM. I am guessing that if Scola would agree to sign a reasonable contract at around the MLE then the Rockets will offer him a multi-year deal. If Scola wants to play hard ball and ask something like 7- 8 million a year I'm guessing the Rockets will give him a one year deal at 4.1 million a year.
i don't see scola has a qualfying offer according to the hoopshype site. he is in his 2nd year of his nba career. does he qualify for a qualifying offer? Should you serve 3 years in the league to get a qualifying offer?
Its all about how much other teams want them to me we can afford losing scola but definetley not Lowry .. So Lowry is a huge priority plus I dont think teams know how good he really is .. To me hes the best back up in the league maybe even better than kirk hinrich ..
I don't really understand how Landry being an unrestricted FA could really affect costs? And I also don't know if he would've got a starting salary of $10million which is effectively what we brought back for him. The only way it would affect costs is if we felt we had to overpay for him to extend before anyone else got a look at him, but again, we traded him for a $10million player, so I'm not sure that follows. And as far as Les wanting to control costs - well duh? I know you're always on about "it's not my money", but honestly DD, a lot of the players you advocate chasing are overpaid and on terrible contracts. There might be more reasons than purely financial that they are not pursued. (see Maggette, Corey) If Les was completely cheap, then the profits he brought back from insurance etc would NOT be recycled back into basketball operations. But we see clearly that he IS doing that by allowing Morey to spend the $6million on the recent draft (and so on). I don't think Les is totally cheap, I also agree with NOT paying luxury tax when you're nowhere near contending, AND I also agree with getting the best possible deal with your players. I will grant however the Les is always talking about going over the tax threshold for the 'right' player, but never breaking it. However I'm (so far) glad because I don't think we've seen the 'right' player yet. It would be interesting to see if Morey was asked to ditch a Harpring and a Brewer if we were well over the threshold and yet contending in the fashion the Jazz are... I do think next season we have a shot at setting ourselves up as a 'contender' for the next 2-3 seasons, and we'll see if we cross that luxury tax threshold. Sometimes you do have to take on an overpaid player to complete the deal.
Not sure why my thread was merged here, it was not about Scola and Lowry it was more about the organization saying they were going to spend a lot more next year, when the truth is they are KILLING it financially this year which allows them to spend next year. Just pointing out the money tree is always the way to view things. DD
Scola, if he were an unrestricted, might could push as high 8 to 11, if there is a really desperate team out there for a power forward. There are bums (and bench warmers) in the NBA who are making 5-7 million. When you think about, the Rockets are somewhat low-balling, some of these players (Lowry, Landry, Scola). When I say low balling, I mean the value that a team could potential pay for them (on an open market) vs. their current salary. Landry and Scola are both arguably in the top 18 as far as power forwards are concerned. The more I think about (even though I was in pro- keeping Landry crowd), we probably would've lost him in the offseason, if he asked for anything above 6-7. You could even look at J.Jefferies, who hasn't even produce half the things that Scola does and he makes near $7 million.
At the end of this season Scola will have completed three years and his current contract will come to an end. Because he has completed 3 years the Rockets have full bird rights. Because he is a veteran free agent with 3 or less years in the league he is restricted.
The qualifying offer for Scola and Lowry is 4.1 million and 3 million respectively. It would seem that those would be lower bounds, right?
I feel like everyone's being too optimistic with this. $5 million for Lowry and $7 million for Scola is my best guess. $9 million for both is a little farfetched.
You never know. With a GM like Morey (the Ari Gold of NBA GMs), them being RFA, and the economy, we could very well get them for $9 million both. Plus, I have a feeling Scola and Lowry are not greedy people and would rather stay with an organization they're comfortable with and that they know is committed to winning.
Yeah, you'd think. I'm still going with MLE type money (I hope!) for Luis and a contract similar to what Scola has now (he's making $3,375,000 this season) for Lowry. That's a good place for Lowry's contract to start, IMO. I guess that would be between $9 and $10 million for both.
But is Morey the kind of guy to offer more than he has to initially? Wouldn't he stick with the low offer, and wait for other teams to outbid him? Or maybe, in the interest of getting them signed quickly, he starts it off with a higher bid. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
It depends on how long the deals are (total value of the deal) and how they are structured (wasn't e.g. Camby's contract just flat per year whereas most go up every year?). My guess: Scola 2 years at $ 5M per season, plus 1 year team option Lowry 4 years at $ 3M per season
Good question. He's already playing the game by saying we're going to resign them, which will lower the number of teams thinking about an offer. This summer's going to be fun!
Scola ~6 million Lowry ~4 million hopefully.... Potential pitfall is all big name free agents going early and a fake bidding war happening for these guys. Both seem loyal so I could see them taking a little less money to play here.
Chris Duhon and Beno Udrih have gotten full MLE in the past couple of years. Can anybody really say that either one of them was more appealing at the time of their signing than Lowry is now? So what's to say some other GM won't reach and offer the same to him? I don't think it would be a wise bet, but when has that ever stopped NBA GM's from overreaching in the past? All it takes is one guy to think he sees something that believes can be developed or nurtured in Lowry. Also, I think if you are a team that is in pretty close to being a real contender, I can't see many MLE candidates that would be less risky and more effective than Scola. He won't remake your team dynamic (which is actually pretty good if the dynamic is already positive), but he is a first class complimentary player, and he won't think he's "the man" and start jacking up bad shots. And he won't show up for the ride to the airport wearing nothing but his underwear. He's old enough and experienced enough to be a savvy veteran, but not so old that you have to worry about him tailing off drastically over the course of the next couple of seasons. In short, I think he is a pretty shiny bauble that will catch your eye if you are an NBA GM combing the free agency beach. I haven't looked at who has what, but I have to think that if I were in a situation where I had a good team and PF was even a potential need, calling up and offering MLE for Scola would be just about my first move. In the right situation - if a contender has need and available cash - I think someone might offer over MLE.
Someone had a thread like this last season that basically stated the "going price" to resign each player (except maybe Hayes) would be double what the average of their rookies contracts was. So, Scola would be about about $7 million per year and Lowry would start out around $4-5miilion per year at least.
I hope Morey does not simply offer Scola a qualifying offer and then wait for a team to offer him the mid level exception and then sign Scola for that money. Unfortunately this is what is likely to happen... Give him an offer sheet for what he deserves right away. $6-$7 million sounds fair to me given that we do not have Landry anymore.
