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How much should WTC survivors get?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by SirCharlesFan, Jan 9, 2002.

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  1. NCSTATEFAN

    NCSTATEFAN Member

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    Getting defensive already Jeff? I knew that would get at least one of you "Utopians" attention.
     
  2. mrpaige

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    I've been to a few liberal parties in my day.
     
  3. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Sweet, somebody found me out. Actually, I'm being sued by a victim as we speak...I received the papers today. Being a liberal and a Democrat, I'm part of the reason the hijackings occured.
     
  4. Jeff

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    No, I was just wondering why I hadn't gotten my invitation yet. And, I'm not a Utopian. I'm a Houstonian.
     
  5. NCSTATEFAN

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    Are you banging your chest or mumbling that?
     
  6. NCSTATEFAN

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    Ohhhh I could go into this, but I can already tell it would fly right over your head. Same old "status quo" answer from another sheep in the flock.

    Here are some clue words.... left views, utopians, open borders, pre911 mindset, racial profile, make everyone happy.........
     
  7. NCSTATEFAN

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    And now you walk differently right??
     
  8. Puedlfor

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    oh man, I'm going to pop some popcorn and enjoy the show.
     
  9. mrpaige

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    At least I'm not part of the problem. I'm a Republican. ;)
     
  10. Hydra

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    I think with the huge sums of money collected by private charities, the government need not get involved at all. The private funds should be distributed as seen fit by whatever groups collected the money, if it were me I would say every life lost has equal value and divide the money accordingly.
     
  11. Rocketman95

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    Here's a clue...*******.

    You got that one?

    Just wondering. How about I go ahead and stereotype all crazy right wing fanatics and say that they were happy that Osama at least got some ******s and Jew bastards?
     
  12. JohnnyBlaze

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    Hmm, don't the differences lie in the negligence involved here? The victims of 9/11 could rightfully and probably successfully sue the airlines, the airports, the FAA, the security companies, etc. I don't think that was nearly the case in the OKC bombing or the first WTC bombing or even the embassy bombings. There was an absurd amount of negligence involved in allowing 9/11 to happen.

    I might be wrong but weren't box cutters legal on planes before 9/11? If thats the case exactly what negligence was there?
     
  13. Rocketman95

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    Obviously, I posted my last post out of anger...for that I apologize. My point is still the same.

    I'm just wondering why I don't here anyone calling NCSTATEFAN un-American. Anytime glynch, F.D. Khan, or anyone else discussed (intelligently, I might add) that the U.S.'s policy towards the middle-East might be to blame, they were attacked mercilessly. Now, this guy basically does the same thing, and chirp, chirp, chirp.

    I won't do it however. I respect his right to have an idiotic opinion...that's one of the many great things America is all about.
     
  14. mrpaige

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    Are any of the people who called those people un-American even currently posting on the board? (I've got so many people on ignore now, it's hard for me to actually know). Not that I would necessarily expect the same people who called those folks un-American to call NCStateFan un-American.

    For one thing, though, I would think that countering specific charges that were well spelled out (however wrong many of the "facts" relied on were) and articulated like FD Khan or glynch did (I say "did" because I put them on ignore a while ago, along with some others) would be more common. While we can figure what NCStateFan is talking about. He has no argument. He just has a series of words. He just comes off as another Right Wing Kook (and even I, as a Republican, know there are Right Wing Kooks. And it's not just anybody who's conservative) who isn't worth spending any effort talking to or about. But I guess I'll give it a shot.

    NCStateFan is un-American! (is that better?)
     
  15. Rocketman95

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    You're right mrpaige. I should've ignored it...it's just hard sometimes!! :)
     
  16. treeman

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    I'm here. :D Although I'm probably on your ignore list...

    For the record, I don't think F.D. Khan is "un-American", I just think he's misguided on some issues. ;) I think he's honest and has no ulterior agenda, and I can respect that. The same with Jeff. I wish I could say the same for everyone else here...

    And for the exact same reason Rudy G. gave that check back to the Saudi prince - the notion that we caused 9/11 because of our evil foreign policy is just anti-American nonsense.

    The main argument along that vein is that we prop up unpopular dictators in the ME. Problem with that argument is that ALL ME governments are unpopular dictatorships; we only support the ones who aren't openly anti-US. They have no democratic tradition whatsoever, and that is not our fault.

    Personally, I wish we wouldn't even prop up the regimes there that we do, because even the "friendly" regimes there (with the exception of Jordan) are constantly spewing anti-US/anti-Israel propaganda for public consumption in order to deflect anger away from their despotic selves, and that itself is a large contributing factor for ME terrorism.

    But to imply that it was/is our fault is just ludicrous. It seems to me that it's more Osama's fault than anyone else's. But of course he's not going to pay the damages...

    If this thread wants to discuss solely the insurance/legal cuplability aspects, fine. But personally I see all of these issues as being interrelated. C'mon, put your systems-thinking cap on... ;)

    I do think it would be appropriate for the Saudis to pay the damages, particularly since 15 of the hijackers were Saudis. They probably wouldn't have been on those planes had the Saudi Royal family not been spewing anti-Western BS to deflect agression away from themselves for the past few decades...

    Of course, I'm not gonna hold my breath for that outcome.
     
  17. NCSTATEFAN

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    Your so off the mark, its almost laughable. Not hardly un-American. It's called "time for peaceniks/Utopians such as you to shut the **** up and let the real men run this country." It's your kind that ran around with your panties and wigs on screaming "peace and harmony, let ever through the border" as these mass-murders planned the deaths of thousands.
    Now good back to adjusting your wig and applying the lipstick. The real men are back in the saddle now. Al Qeudea is going down and your freakish theories are not the same of societies.
     
  18. NCSTATEFAN

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    If being pissed at you faggots that ran this country in the ground is unamerican, that so be it.

    Yes I like to be brief, becuase I expect the majority of you to carry on a certain degree of common sense. To understand "cause and effect."

    If your neighbor hates you, do you leave your keys in the door, and leave a loaded gun by your bedroom? Yeah, the neighbor is obviously guilty for killing you, but how dumb would anyone be for being so carelous?

    Now, back to the original "controversial" statment. You want the airlliners to take responsibility for the hijaking. But yet, the same liberals that would have screamed from here to the gods of discrimination had the airlliners not allowed those ME's on board, AND their efforst to divert the assult would have temporaily been stopped, but their plot would have remained unknown. So although lives would have saved, nobody would have never known becuase the action becuase it never would have happened. Its your very views that strangles a persons ability to act, becuase they fear the consquences!!!! Do you now get it?
    Just like the Feds holding up 500 or so suspects. Jackazz attorneys are now licking their chops to go after the fed government, but arguably they have already saved lives! Now imagine being a supervisors on a airliner faced with scrutinization of holding someone with ME bakground back prior to 911. I can see you pantywads on the board screaming the same BS about discrimination, unknowing 5000 lives are saved.



    If you still don't want to take responsiblity for your feminine actions, then fine. I just hope your type remains UNHEARD, and in the backroom appying eyeliner.
     
  19. CriscoKidd

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    It must be nice to live in such a black and white world.

    You know, whenever I am arguing with someone, I find that calling them a f***** or talk about them crossdressing diminishes whatever point they are trying to make.

    :rolleyes:

    idiot.
     
  20. treeman

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    NCSTATEFAN:

    While I agree with your basic premise (we left the door open for the bad guys), it's hard to communicate that argument when it's buried under a heap of insults like that...

    And I'm not one to usually hold punches in a debate

    Calm down.
     

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